New vehicle - running in.

New vehicle - running in.

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Coilover

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92 posts

34 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Just taken delivery and I’m following the recommendations from the manual for running in. These days engines are already ‘run in’ as such and this is more a ‘bedding in’ exercise, unlike the old days where you HAD to run in otherwise you were in trouble.

What is everyone doing? My old school engine building and general paranoia leads me to think that a 600 mile oil and filter change (and possibly gear fluid) might be a good idea… or am I just too paranoid? Do I trust Alpine and ignore an ‘initial service’. Ariel have a 500 mile service for vtec powered Nomads and Atoms, so it’s not like every modern engine is good for 12k straight out of the box.

Edited by Coilover on Friday 26th November 08:23

biggles330d

1,544 posts

151 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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I picked mine up with 16 miles on it, immediately put 150 miles on it (and a very nice lunch) the same day, then the following week did 400 miles over 3 days on a little break in Northumberland. I have followed the guidance so didn't extend over 3500 rpm, and I hope putting on those early miles in fairly long drives avoided a lot of early mile cold stop/starts. I'm now just beyond 600 miles but haven't extended beyond 4-4500 but thats mainly due to not being out in it much due to work.
I did wonder how cautious Alpine are being as the engine isn't that exotic and is known to be robust in other applications, but going steady for the first few trips out didn't seem to me to be much of a burden as a just in case precaution. Hadn't thought about early oil changes - nobody has suggested that but it was common in years past.

Mannginger

9,074 posts

258 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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From new I had her in automatic and sports. Did 600 miles under 3500 rpm (majority of which were on a road trip so mix of roads). Then a further 400 miles bringing the RPM up a bit more gradually before finally ticking over 1000 miles and letting her go full flow.

She is finally starting to loosen up a bit now (think I'm on c2500 miles) but it was very tight to start I have to say so di think there is merit in a run-in period

Coilover

Original Poster:

92 posts

34 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Definitely agree with 'tight'. Having driven two demonstrators, each with 2k+ miles, this one feels as tight as a goldfish at 50 fathoms.

Hoofty

661 posts

191 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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I did the advised 620 miles / 1000km under 3500rpm, and using the dash readout, no more than 50% throttle.

After that, up to 75% throttle and 4-5000 for a couple of hundred miles or so, then full welly around 1000 miles IIRC.

I did get the oil changed at 1500. Completely elective, just something I always told myself I'd do if I ever ran in a brand new engine.

tail slide

2,168 posts

248 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Hoofty said:
I did the advised 620 miles / 1000km under 3500rpm, and using the dash readout, no more than 50% throttle.

After that, up to 75% throttle and 4-5000 for a couple of hundred miles or so, then full welly around 1000 miles IIRC.

I did get the oil changed at 1500. Completely elective, just something I always told myself I'd do if I ever ran in a brand new engine.
Yes I did the same, but no oil change due to modern oils & tolerances, it's very frisky engine now at 2k miles

Huge variation in Forum opinions wobble

I know several high-level engine builders for race or endurance or road cars (and bikes). The engine and transmission spec and intended use leads to their varying advice; so does Sir want max power very soon or wait a little longer for 100k+ miles without a rebuild?! Also there are many build spec variables of course, and regarding oil changes motorbikes still use run-in oil due mainly to their tight tolerances for allowing very high rpms.

So with a new engine I follow the manual which is designed to protect the car from numpty errors, plus the main extra advice I've been given for bikes and car engines which I'm sure many here already know, or can add to. smile

Advice was; always warm up thoroughly on the road with 15mins normal driving then use the recommended revs for the mileage and often accelerate promptly using up to half throttle, swap gears frequently, quite often but only on a light throttle briefly use more revs than the manual suggests to bed in piston rings, and never use much throttle from lower revs which is especially crucial with the extra torque of a turbo engine, even when run-in.


footsoldier

2,259 posts

193 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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Colllect from dealer, warm everything up, take it easy until the first roundabout, then nail it.
30 years of experience there….

Adam205

814 posts

183 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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footsoldier said:
Colllect from dealer, warm everything up, take it easy until the first roundabout, then nail it.
30 years of experience there….
Just going to collect mine now, this sounds like the correct advice! biglaugh

Milkyway

9,479 posts

54 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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Many years ago, after rebuilds the old ’Running In, please pass’ was displayed in the back window.

1986: Bought MG Maestro EFI.
Run in: 60mph max for 600 / 1000 miles... avoid over revving.
(Very frustrating... but did it)

1990: Calibra
Questioned run in....Just told, to basically go & enjoy yourself.

Geffg

1,138 posts

106 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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Adam205 said:
footsoldier said:
Colllect from dealer, warm everything up, take it easy until the first roundabout, then nail it.
30 years of experience there….
Just going to collect mine now, this sounds like the correct advice! biglaugh
My theory aswell.

Miserablegit

4,024 posts

110 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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footsoldier said:
Colllect from dealer, warm everything up, take it easy until the first roundabout, then nail it.
30 years of experience there….
An Italian Italian-engine builder I know said to me
“If you run an engine in slowly you get a slow engine”

I straddled the official advice and the Italian advice!! My engine is nicely run in and seems much more eager than when new.

Panamax

4,084 posts

35 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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This macho stuff about just jump in and thrash it is cobblers. Just drive sensibly for the first 1,000 miles or so.

Labouring an engine at low rpm (like standing on the pedals of a push-bike) does far more harm than giving it a few revs but it's silly to go hunting the red line straight out of the showroom.

Manufacturing tolerances are much better than they used to be but they're still not perfect every time in any form of mass production.

footsoldier

2,259 posts

193 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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You don’t hunt the red line on the road though do you. How often?

It’s an understressed small engine with an auto box. Zero harm can be done.

I’m not buying a car for maybe 1500 miles a year and running it in for 1000. Life’s too short.

K2iss

110 posts

236 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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I have the telemetry on when starting a trip, and I’ll take it super easy while not up to temp.
I also found in sport mode, it’s best to switch to manual to keep the revs under control, but revert to auto as soon as in traffic to avoid labouring the engine.

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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K2iss said:
I have the telemetry on when starting a trip, and I’ll take it super easy while not up to temp.
I also found in sport mode, it’s best to switch to manual to keep the revs under control, but revert to auto as soon as in traffic to avoid labouring the engine.
In all modes the car changes down when the revs get too low. Can't say for sure whether it is any more likely to labour in manual than auto - have you found that to be the case? Unlike my Cayman (in auto) I have never heard the car labour even briefly.

Liam22

128 posts

107 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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footsoldier said:
I’m not buying a car for maybe 1500 miles a year and running it in for 1000. Life’s too short.
The running in period is 600 miles.

I did 300 miles by the book and then progressively explored another 1000rpm per 100 miles.

bcr5784

7,118 posts

146 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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Liam22 said:
The running in period is 600 miles.

I did 300 miles by the book and then progressively explored another 1000rpm per 100 miles.
The book says run in keeping to 3500 rpm for 1000 km and avoid "sporty driving" until 3000k. Interpret/ignor that as you wish.

K800 RUM

352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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footsoldier said:
Colllect from dealer, warm everything up, take it easy until the first roundabout, then nail it.
30 years of experience there….
Excellent clap

chuck_ster

515 posts

242 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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Been browsing the owners manual, hope it's run in before this restriction kicks in on the launch control...

:after 1,500 starts, the function is fully disabled

😉

C

FrenchA110

168 posts

42 months

Thursday 2nd December 2021
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chuck_ster said:
Been browsing the owners manual, hope it's run in before this restriction kicks in on the launch control...

:after 1,500 starts, the function is fully disabled

??

C
To be precise it’s after 1.500 launch control procedures ! Not after 1.500 starts of the engine.