A110R “Radical”
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
Personally prefer the box to PDK (having had a 981 Cayman previously). Sure it's not quite as smooth but the ratios are so MUCH better.
At the advertised prices I'd have to agree the R looks pricey - but the real cost of a GT4 has never been even close to the advertised price (though I do hear that Porsche have built too many and ordinary mortels can, for the moment, buy one).
Agreed on the ratios of the PDK (actually pretty much any current Porsche), but the quality of the box is light years aheadAt the advertised prices I'd have to agree the R looks pricey - but the real cost of a GT4 has never been even close to the advertised price (though I do hear that Porsche have built too many and ordinary mortels can, for the moment, buy one).
HokumPokum said:
True. Engine is inferior to any Porsche gt model
Hence pricing shouldn’t be on par is my thinking even if chassis and lightweight is the usp
I’d say Max 90k pounds and likely high 80s
Are you saying "will be" 90k-ish, or "should be" 90k-ish? Wasn't there a figure quoted of 101k Euro? I'm sure it'll be around £95-97k, given an S with aero is over £70kHence pricing shouldn’t be on par is my thinking even if chassis and lightweight is the usp
I’d say Max 90k pounds and likely high 80s
my crystal ball is as clear as yours mate.
I'm speculating here.
They may price it high simply because the guys that want it, want it... and they think they can't sell many anyway. Otherwise to give them the volumes, pricing it under 90k makes a lot of sense.
You can spec an S for the track without fat options for 70k. An R at 85k for me is value and below 90k fair. Above that pricey.
Bet that alpine F1 blue will be at least a 2.5 k option.
I'm speculating here.
They may price it high simply because the guys that want it, want it... and they think they can't sell many anyway. Otherwise to give them the volumes, pricing it under 90k makes a lot of sense.
You can spec an S for the track without fat options for 70k. An R at 85k for me is value and below 90k fair. Above that pricey.
Bet that alpine F1 blue will be at least a 2.5 k option.
bcr5784 said:
We'll just have to disagree on that. I'd suggest that if your A110s box is significantly worse there is something wrong with it.
there is nothing wrong with the dct for spirited road driving but a pdk in a porsche just has lightning shifts up and down all the car reviewers who drive so many autos always make that point not that they have to you can hear the revs snap up and down.Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 1st October 17:27
And the R is supposed to be the hard core version of the S which is supposed to be track oriented? The dct was engineered as a light weight compact unit for family sedans. If it remains off the shelf in the R then it hasn't evolved from the a110 pure. Thats unbalanced evolution in my mind.
Doesnt make me dislike my a110 in the slightest as a road car. Clearly alpine knows people will buy the R. It just doesnt seem like something to tempt someone from a gt4 let alone a gt4 RS
a110au said:
there is nothing wrong with the dct for spirited road driving but a pdk in a porsche just has lightning shifts up and down all the car reviewers who drive so many autos always make that point not that they have to you can hear the revs snap up and down.
PDK may be a tad faster - it's not night and day, and I have no doubt that Alpine could choose to make the changes a bit faster at the expense of smoothness (as Porsche do with Sport+). I'm just not seeing what you are seeing - and I've driven/owned a number of PDK cars and half a dozen A110s on road and track. PDK was at one time well ahead of the other DCTs, but not any more. Without sounding like a fanboy because i have a 718 spider in PDK, i can say the PDK is great on track in auto. On the road you can still catch it out but on the whole the shifts are seamless and super fast. But so what?
I actually want to shift myself on track and on the road. I like to feel the shifts. My e46 csl smg feels fragile compared to the pdk and I’ve had to rebuild everything on it and I don’t abuse it on track. But my complaints about it has never been about shift quality or speed even if they do exist.
When can you honestly say that your lap times are hampered by it. Even in my 2 decade old csl it really isn’t. Not at my skill level anyway and there’s always more to work on in terms of braking and car control. So robustness of box is the most important point. If the Renault box is prone to breaking then there’s a different issue but so far I think both the PDK and DCT are robust enough for track use. Fingers crossed.
In any case, I’d hope the Renault box is much much cheaper to get a new unit
I actually want to shift myself on track and on the road. I like to feel the shifts. My e46 csl smg feels fragile compared to the pdk and I’ve had to rebuild everything on it and I don’t abuse it on track. But my complaints about it has never been about shift quality or speed even if they do exist.
When can you honestly say that your lap times are hampered by it. Even in my 2 decade old csl it really isn’t. Not at my skill level anyway and there’s always more to work on in terms of braking and car control. So robustness of box is the most important point. If the Renault box is prone to breaking then there’s a different issue but so far I think both the PDK and DCT are robust enough for track use. Fingers crossed.
In any case, I’d hope the Renault box is much much cheaper to get a new unit
Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 2nd October 10:03
HokumPokum said:
In any case, I’d hope the Renault box is much much cheaper to get a new unit
Quite a few people are doing remaps which exceed the torque rating of the box by quite a lot, so I hope you are right. If the box doesn't give trouble with increases in torque of 20 or 25% then it should be robust enough at its factory setting.Edited by HokumPokum on Sunday 2nd October 10:03
Photos have been released - rear window now a carbon panel so no rearward vis ( and hopefully no shattered rear screen)
No engine cover - so it seems they can run without it but beware stones…
And a rear brace which looks like an afterthought
Oh, and the crap Porsche fabric pulls
But I like the look of it.
No engine cover - so it seems they can run without it but beware stones…
And a rear brace which looks like an afterthought
Oh, and the crap Porsche fabric pulls
But I like the look of it.
While I wasn't keen on the idea of carbon wheels , it looks like there are "sacrificial" outer shrouds which should be much cheaper to replace. Replacing the rear bulkhead screen with alluminium iwill doubtless make the car noisier. For me the lack of rear mirror - and no parking sensors - would compromise the car too much. However I suspect the target audience won't be put off. Pity no Lithium battery, would have made the weight loss more impressive.
Hate the silly door pulls too - but Git got in first.
Hate the silly door pulls too - but Git got in first.
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