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Horace985 said:
That sort of doesn't surprise me but a lot a pictures of an actual car in the showroom so presumably they are all there. I discounted some of the ones with generic photos (unless they said available now). Some said due end of 2022....
Even that is not a guarantee of availability. I am aware of one of those showroom pictured cars that was registered in December, presumably as a demonstrator. There may be others.Horace985 said:
Looked on autotrader at new Alpines that seem to be available to buy now (or due in shortly). A quick count shows 12 GTs 8 Ss and 12 Pures all available to buy now (apparently). Looking prior to Christmas for a 22 year model there was virtually nothing available there and then. Don't know why all these cars don't have owners. Seems a massive punt in the circumstances to order some new ones in the hope of selling them quickly.
I can't but think the dealers involved would be hard pressed to sell that lot any time soon and given so many competing at the same time you'd assume discounts would be in point (some show discounts of a couple of £k but not sure whether that may be simply comparing an old model ordered at the old price with what it would cost to buy now).
I haven't really followed the market much in the last 6 months but I dont recall seeing so many available straightaway?
Bob
Where as through 2022 stock cars being advertised ahead of delivery were finding deposits it appears this has slowed and they're landing in showrooms without buyers.I can't but think the dealers involved would be hard pressed to sell that lot any time soon and given so many competing at the same time you'd assume discounts would be in point (some show discounts of a couple of £k but not sure whether that may be simply comparing an old model ordered at the old price with what it would cost to buy now).
I haven't really followed the market much in the last 6 months but I dont recall seeing so many available straightaway?
Bob
I enquired about the Azure Blue GT in Orpington about a month ago and the price was 67k. It now showing as 67k but reduced from 70k suggesting the dealer is uplifting the rrp to match revised pricing and discounting back again giving the illusion of a saving. A quick scour of other new in stock cars reveals similar practice. If I can complete some DIY quickly on Saturday I'll try and look at it.
It's not actual discounting yet but a pre curser to what might be round the corner.
I do feel they're going to be a much tougher sell in the 60-70k bracket than 50-60k, cheeky offers on aged stock might just get a result.
Edited by Venisonpie on Friday 6th January 08:10
Venisonpie said:
Where as through 2022 stock cars being advertised ahead of delivery were finding deposits it appears this has slowed and they're landing in showrooms without buyers.
I enquired about the Azure Blue GT in Orpington about a month ago and the price was 67k. It now showing as 67k but reduced from 70k suggesting the dealer is uplifting the rrp to match revised pricing and discounting back again giving the illusion of a saving. A quick scour of other new in stock cars reveals similar practice. If I can complete some DIY quickly on Saturday I'll try and look at it.
It's not actual discounting yet but a pre curser to what might be round the corner.
I do feel they're going to be a much tougher sell in the 60-70k bracket than 50-60k, cheeky offers on aged stock might just get a result.
Did you progress with the cheeky offer? Car now has a sold sign on the windscreenI enquired about the Azure Blue GT in Orpington about a month ago and the price was 67k. It now showing as 67k but reduced from 70k suggesting the dealer is uplifting the rrp to match revised pricing and discounting back again giving the illusion of a saving. A quick scour of other new in stock cars reveals similar practice. If I can complete some DIY quickly on Saturday I'll try and look at it.
It's not actual discounting yet but a pre curser to what might be round the corner.
I do feel they're going to be a much tougher sell in the 60-70k bracket than 50-60k, cheeky offers on aged stock might just get a result.
Edited by Venisonpie on Friday 6th January 08:10
When I was looking order in late November/early December, the salesman told me that he had a number of pre-ordered "showroom" cars coming for 2023.
I asked him if there would be any room for negotiation on a pre-ordered "showroom" car, and his polite response was no.
Perhaps if they don't move they get used as a demo, and this leads to a price reduction (not much however) as a nearly new used car.
I asked him if there would be any room for negotiation on a pre-ordered "showroom" car, and his polite response was no.
Perhaps if they don't move they get used as a demo, and this leads to a price reduction (not much however) as a nearly new used car.
Well, if Tesla (which are in the same sort of price bracket) are worried about sales enough to knock £8k of some models, perhaps the car market at that level isn’t quite as robust as the Alpine dealers think….. can’t but think that must be the case. However, may be just wishful thinking!!
My thinking on this is more aligned with Springfan, than Horace.
A few years ago, if you wanted a big, ugly, heavy electric car, a Tesla was the obvious choice. These days, there's a much wider choice.
It's not as though Alpine have to worry about a dozen well established brands suddenly launching attractive, well made, comfortable 1,100 KG sports cars.
A few years ago, if you wanted a big, ugly, heavy electric car, a Tesla was the obvious choice. These days, there's a much wider choice.
It's not as though Alpine have to worry about a dozen well established brands suddenly launching attractive, well made, comfortable 1,100 KG sports cars.
Well, I take your points but I suppose there are always alternatives…. they may not be as good or identical but if you want a sports car (or performance coupe) there are cheaper options to the Alpine. In difficult economic times, people either don’t make the purchase switch to a cheaper substitute. It isn’t necessarily as good or desirable but demand becomes more elastic.
Since I made my comments most of the cars still seem to be available. It doesn’t seem like they have been snapped up. Then again prices not fallen.
Since I made my comments most of the cars still seem to be available. It doesn’t seem like they have been snapped up. Then again prices not fallen.
Venisonpie said:
Horace985 said:
Looked on autotrader at new Alpines that seem to be available to buy now (or due in shortly). A quick count shows 12 GTs 8 Ss and 12 Pures all available to buy now (apparently). Looking prior to Christmas for a 22 year model there was virtually nothing available there and then. Don't know why all these cars don't have owners. Seems a massive punt in the circumstances to order some new ones in the hope of selling them quickly.
I can't but think the dealers involved would be hard pressed to sell that lot any time soon and given so many competing at the same time you'd assume discounts would be in point (some show discounts of a couple of £k but not sure whether that may be simply comparing an old model ordered at the old price with what it would cost to buy now).
I haven't really followed the market much in the last 6 months but I dont recall seeing so many available straightaway?
Bob
Where as through 2022 stock cars being advertised ahead of delivery were finding deposits it appears this has slowed and they're landing in showrooms without buyers.I can't but think the dealers involved would be hard pressed to sell that lot any time soon and given so many competing at the same time you'd assume discounts would be in point (some show discounts of a couple of £k but not sure whether that may be simply comparing an old model ordered at the old price with what it would cost to buy now).
I haven't really followed the market much in the last 6 months but I dont recall seeing so many available straightaway?
Bob
I enquired about the Azure Blue GT in Orpington about a month ago and the price was 67k. It now showing as 67k but reduced from 70k suggesting the dealer is uplifting the rrp to match revised pricing and discounting back again giving the illusion of a saving. A quick scour of other new in stock cars reveals similar practice. If I can complete some DIY quickly on Saturday I'll try and look at it.
It's not actual discounting yet but a pre curser to what might be round the corner.
I do feel they're going to be a much tougher sell in the 60-70k bracket than 50-60k, cheeky offers on aged stock might just get a result.
Edited by Venisonpie on Friday 6th January 08:10
that's the rub. the value association of the flat 4 vs flat 6 is massive. hence people seem to be willing to pay more for the flat 6.
in the alpine it's all the same engine in different states of tune. that's why it's a harder sell. but there will be people who also value the other bits that make for a fast car
It’s the Porsche RS treatment. That’s not cheap either
in the alpine it's all the same engine in different states of tune. that's why it's a harder sell. but there will be people who also value the other bits that make for a fast car
It’s the Porsche RS treatment. That’s not cheap either
Edited by HokumPokum on Saturday 21st January 21:55
Just looking at a finance deal for a GT at a price of £62k ish. £10k deposit over 4 years the interest charge is about £14k with APR of 7.9% (which seems to be standard). If that rate were 3% that would be interest of £4k ish. BIg difference. That's the issue with PCP and higher interest rates - you're financing a bigger lump for a longer time than on HP.... I suppose people tend to just look at the monthly repayment.
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