Life110 Geometry. Experience, Advice and where to get done

Life110 Geometry. Experience, Advice and where to get done

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7en

232 posts

12 months

Sunday 7th May 2023
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I'm interested how the camber is adjusted on these cars... I can see where the front lower wishbone bolts to the body there are height adjustable bolts which could adjust camber quite easily. As long as the place you use has accurate measurements I can't see this being a very difficult job to dial in. I've yet to find a decent picture of the rear suspension but am guessing it is a similar adjustment.



Edited by 7en on Sunday 7th May 14:37

bcr5784

7,120 posts

146 months

Sunday 7th May 2023
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GVO said:
I take mine to the same guy who has looked after it from new, Andy at W London.
I believe Andy is no longer there. Pity, I rated him.

GVO

44 posts

129 months

Sunday 7th May 2023
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He's at the Renault vans centre in Hayes. I take my car to him there now...

bcr5784

7,120 posts

146 months

Monday 8th May 2023
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GVO said:
He's at the Renault vans centre in Hayes. I take my car to him there now...
They'll do Alpine servicing? Warranty stuff?

GVO

44 posts

129 months

Sunday 14th May 2023
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Yes to servicing. I don't know about warranty stuff, call them and ask.

Colin P

421 posts

144 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I’ve downloaded the life 110 standard suspension details. I suppose I was expecting “tweaks” the the standard, but it looks completely different, presumably a different approach. I won’t pretend to understand this, so would appreciate if anyone is anyone able to explain the principles leading to the differences.


Rob_RCF

129 posts

12 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Colin P said:
I’ve downloaded the life 110 standard suspension details. I suppose I was expecting “tweaks” the the standard, but it looks completely different, presumably a different approach. I won’t pretend to understand this, so would appreciate if anyone is anyone able to explain the principles leading to the differences.
There are various interviews and podcasts with David Pook where he explains (not in great detail, but somewhat) his logic behind the geometry. Iirc he found Alpine's setup a bit puzzling and set them up in what he felt was a more standard way for a RWD sports car.

AlexNJ89

2,491 posts

80 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Rob_RCF said:
There are various interviews and podcasts with David Pook where he explains (not in great detail, but somewhat) his logic behind the geometry. Iirc he found Alpine's setup a bit puzzling and set them up in what he felt was a more standard way for a RWD sports car.
Would love to know a list of cars he has set up before because he's clearly good at it.

bcr5784

7,120 posts

146 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Rob_RCF said:
There are various interviews and podcasts with David Pook where he explains (not in great detail, but somewhat) his logic behind the geometry. Iirc he found Alpine's setup a bit puzzling and set them up in what he felt was a more standard way for a RWD sports car.
Normally FWD cars are set up with a bit of toe out at the front, RWD toe in. The A110 has toe out. Alpine are not alone in doing that - I believe Ferrari do too, and can come in for some criticism in that regard too. A common complaint on the A110 is straight line stability - particularly in side winds, and the toe out is cited as the reason. Personally it's not an issue for me with the standard geometry - but would agree that stability is not as absolute as in a Cayman.

The second issue is that, on the limit the rear end is too mobile for some - a bit too flighty. The life110 set up aims to alleviate that with stiffer springs and more rear negative camber.

The third is that outright grip is sacrificed by not having enough negative camber either front or rear - and the life110 settings add a little negative camber both front and rear.

I think one of things that makes the A110 fun to drive is that it is NOT as planted as most of the opposition, so I wouldn't want much more grip - but I have yet to try Life110 settings to see if the compromise he strikes suits me better.

My apologies to David if I've got that wrong, but I think that is the gist of what he has written.

Colin P

421 posts

144 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Rob_RCF said:
There are various interviews and podcasts with David Pook where he explains (not in great detail, but somewhat) his logic behind the geometry. Iirc he found Alpine's setup a bit puzzling and set them up in what he felt was a more standard way for a RWD sports car.
Thanks.

For others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV2tC4KEDRw

Rob_RCF

129 posts

12 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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AlexNJ89 said:
Would love to know a list of cars he has set up before because he's clearly good at it.
Good article here with a lot of info on his background:

https://www.evo.co.uk/features/205308/my-life-cars...

essexstu

519 posts

119 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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I had my Pure suspension geo done to Life110 spec and whilst the difference is not night and day, the turn is is definitely sharper and the steering feels a bit weightier in a nice way. I would recommend.

timhum

161 posts

184 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Stu,

Where did you get the geometry done?
thanks
Tim

Colin P

421 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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So had the Life 110 standard suspension setup put on the car this morning.

Car only done 1100 miles and the geo was bang on factory spec.

Took the long way home on some roads I know.

Big difference on 70mph roads, especially ones in poor condition or rutted. Must surer footed no wandering, huge improvement.

Fast roundabouts and tighter corners. Handling similar, but I always felt it was too pointy and sometimes felt that the rear end would happily swap ends (bit like a go kart). I prefer a more balanced car, prefer understeer to oversteer. It’s now more balanced, not night and day but does give more confidence to me and is preferable to me.

A good way to spend £90 (which I felt was very reasonable, was expecting £150+).

Merrow tyre Farnham for people looking for somewhere. Looks like a standard tyre shop until you dig a bit, brilliant local reputation and consequently they are busy. On digging deeper let’s just say the Alpine is low end against some of the local cars they have done, it seems that the owner does them and leaves the tyres to his staff.

Edited by Colin P on Thursday 15th June 13:34

Sporky

6,396 posts

65 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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They're only 20 minutes from me -. Might be time to get mine done.

ThisInJapanese

10,924 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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I'm getting mine done tomorrow with a well regarded local centre that has a Hunter system. Will be interesting to see how much difference it makes.

Rob_RCF

129 posts

12 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Colin P said:
So had the Life 110 standard suspension setup put on the car this morning.

Car only done 1100 miles and the geo was bang on factory spec.

Took the long way home on some roads I know.

Big difference on 70mph roads, especially ones in poor condition or rutted. Must surer footed no wandering, huge improvement.

Fast roundabouts and tighter corners. Handling similar, but I always felt it was too pointy and sometimes felt that the rear end would happily swap ends (bit like a go kart). I prefer a more balanced car, prefer understeer to oversteer. It’s now more balanced, not night and day but does give more confidence to me and is preferable to me.

A good way to spend £90 (which I felt was very reasonable, was expecting £150+).

Merrow tyre Farnham for people looking for somewhere. Looks like a standard tyre shop until you dig a bit, brilliant local reputation and consequently they are busy. On digging deeper let’s just say the Alpine is low end against some of the local cars they have done, it seems that the owner does them and leaves the tyres to his staff.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'll keep this place in mind, it's only 15 mins from me!

Colin P

421 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Rob_RCF said:
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'll keep this place in mind, it's only 15 mins from me!
I may well see you around then as I’m lower Bourne. There’s another A110 in wrecclesham too.

Rob_RCF

129 posts

12 months

Thursday 15th June 2023
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Colin P said:
I may well see you around then as I’m lower Bourne. There’s another A110 in wrecclesham too.
Look out for a white Lexus RCF then. I won't get my A110 for ~3 months.

Sporky

6,396 posts

65 months

Friday 16th June 2023
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Colin P said:
I may well see you around then as I’m lower Bourne. There’s another A110 in wrecclesham too.
I'm in Headley - I go through Lower Bourne fairly often.