fuel pump fails in current production
Discussion
Woody.GT said:
I'm off to LeMans Classic next week and now getting very twitchy reading these threads! My car is registered May '23 but I don't know build date, where can I find that? Are post Oct '22 cars definitely OK or is just that none have failed yet?
I normally drive to LM in my 50 year old Alfa which comes with a degree of expectation that there may be a failure of some description on the way. This year I was really looking forward to some modern motoring peace of mind
You have the new fuel pump and I'm as confident as I can be that this pump is fine I normally drive to LM in my 50 year old Alfa which comes with a degree of expectation that there may be a failure of some description on the way. This year I was really looking forward to some modern motoring peace of mind
Woody.GT said:
I'm off to LeMans Classic next week and now getting very twitchy reading these threads! My car is registered May '23 but I don't know build date, where can I find that?
Waaaay back on the first page:If it helps anyone, with suggestion that October brought about a new fuel pump, I think you can find your Manufacture date on the last page of the ICE handbook.
The ID sticker is unhelpful stating Model Year 15, but the Key Code sticker is date marked. Mine is 48.22, hopefully meaning it is Dec 22 and has the alternate FP.
Olivera said:
My prediction if there's not a recall: cars will start to exit the warranty/good-will period, and owners will be shelling out themselves for pump replacements.
That is the position i'm in with my Premiere Edition - I have been quoted £1508 for the new replacement fuel pump, however with no certainty that this one won't have the same issue as the previous part numbers as there's no acknowledgment or explanation from Alpine - It's very hard to justify shelling out that much with no peace of mind...Mine hasn't failed by the way - and maybe it won't - but this thread is concerning and I really wish there was some sort of acknowledgement from Alpine (Appreciate they don't want the expense of a recall, but if what is clearly a known fault causes a serious accident surely that will be a much bigger problem for them).
Edited by milfordkong on Tuesday 20th June 16:52
Olivera said:
My prediction if there's not a recall: cars will start to exit the warranty/good-will period, and owners will be shelling out themselves for pump replacements.
My alternator was replaced last week on my PE and its nearly 2 years out of warranty and Alpine covered the cost so I expect they would do the same for the fuel pump as they are both known issues, I have maintained full Alpine service history, they might not be so generous if you have gone to an independent for service.milfordkong said:
That is the position i'm in with my Premiere Edition - I have been quoted £1508 for the new replacement fuel pump, however with no certainty that this one won't have the same issue as the previous part numbers as there's no acknowledgment or explanation from Alpine - It's very hard to justify shelling out that much with no peace of mind...
It would be good to know what modifications have been made, but ultimately I suppose only time will tell if the latest part has resolved the issue. Not sure I'd be shelling out for a pre-emptive replacement until the efficacy of the latest pump has been proven.Edited by milfordkong on Tuesday 20th June 16:52
That £1500 for an additional 3 years warranty is looking like increasingly good value....
Colin P said:
"In Car Entertainment" manual it's the smaller of the 2 handbooks included with the car.
I won't post a picture as the stickers include ignition key numbers, chassis numbers etc.
Thanks! I don't have any such stickers on my handbooks. Maybe that is an UK thing, my car is sourced through a dealer in Belgium. My knowledge of the manufacturing date of my A110 is based on the information on the COC certificate which came with the car.I won't post a picture as the stickers include ignition key numbers, chassis numbers etc.
milfordkong said:
That is the position i'm in with my Premiere Edition - I have been quoted £1508 for the new replacement fuel pump, however with no certainty that this one won't have the same issue as the previous part numbers as there's no acknowledgment or explanation from Alpine - It's very hard to justify shelling out that much with no peace of mind...
Mine hasn't failed by the way - and maybe it won't - but this thread is concerning and I really wish there was some sort of acknowledgement from Alpine (Appreciate they don't want the expense of a recall, but if what is clearly a known fault causes a serious accident surely that will be a much bigger problem for them).
That is a proper piss-take.Mine hasn't failed by the way - and maybe it won't - but this thread is concerning and I really wish there was some sort of acknowledgement from Alpine (Appreciate they don't want the expense of a recall, but if what is clearly a known fault causes a serious accident surely that will be a much bigger problem for them).
Edited by milfordkong on Tuesday 20th June 16:52
A genuine 718 pump is a fraction of that cost
Miserablegit said:
Ah, he used to post here as well.
If Alpine are recoding as well it looks as though they know what the fault is but aren’t telling us. Not great on such a safety critical part. I hope Alpine get the book thrown at them before somebody is injured.
I'm sure they knew what the fault was a while back but any 'fix' didn't work. It's an injection reprogram that's done, if that's any helpIf Alpine are recoding as well it looks as though they know what the fault is but aren’t telling us. Not great on such a safety critical part. I hope Alpine get the book thrown at them before somebody is injured.
If you can get there, maybe this is the answer.
https://www.mp-rezeau.fr/produit/pompe-a-essence-i...
https://www.mp-rezeau.fr/produit/pompe-a-essence-i...
I've posted fuller details on the Alpine A110 Owners group Facebook page, but for those following this particular issue here, I'd like to add my own very recent - yesterday evening - experience, as it may point to the cause being something other than the fuel pump itself.
Driving from Dorking to Reigate on the A25, the engine petered out and I was able to drift into a private estate's driveway. I tried twice in the following few minutes to restart the engine: each time, the full array of warning lights appeared along with a failure message (apologies - I didn't take a photo and at this point in time, and I just can't recall if it mentioned 'engine' or 'fuel pump'), and of course, despite lots of starter motor action the engine itself wouldn't fire up. Pressing the start/stop button again stopped the starter motor turning.
But there was a strong smell of petrol; and furthermore, the fuel pump is the second one - the original was replaced by Alpine Orpington in December 2021 during the year 2 service as an ongoing product recall at the time.
So without any expertise in auto tech matters or fuel pumps, the smell of petrol suggests to me that the fuel pump itself was working fine, and that for whatever other reason, 'something else' had decided not to play ball.
That is, until about an hour later and everything had cooled down (and of course, after the Westbourne recovery truck was well on its way to Dorking, courtesy of my AXA breakdown policy via A-Plan insurance; but thanks anyway chaps!). I pressed the start/stop button and the engine fired up as normal, no warning lights or message, etc.
So now I'm as unclear as anyone else as to what's actually happening and what's causing the problem. From the various threads and posts here and on the Facebook page, it's clear that some (the actualnumber would be good to know) Alps of varying ages and mileages have just stopped, and been left stranded on the roadside or in one case, the middle of a motorway. Some others like mine have stopped and then later restarted.
My fuel pump's already been replaced 18 months ago, and I have since added the Life110 hoses, a K-Tec race exhaust and the Life110 remap about a year ago. Two of us then took my Alp to Bedford Autodrome for a novice trackday and on what was a very hot day (high 20s, maybe 30c, probably warmer on the track itself), pushed the Alp as fast as we could (me as a complete beginner, t'other chap as an experienced racer of racing Meganes) and there wasn't a hint of a problem, aside of needing to deflate the tyres a bit after his hot laps!
In short, lucid and expert explanations of this apparent fuel starvation/fuel pump issue will be very welcome!
Driving from Dorking to Reigate on the A25, the engine petered out and I was able to drift into a private estate's driveway. I tried twice in the following few minutes to restart the engine: each time, the full array of warning lights appeared along with a failure message (apologies - I didn't take a photo and at this point in time, and I just can't recall if it mentioned 'engine' or 'fuel pump'), and of course, despite lots of starter motor action the engine itself wouldn't fire up. Pressing the start/stop button again stopped the starter motor turning.
But there was a strong smell of petrol; and furthermore, the fuel pump is the second one - the original was replaced by Alpine Orpington in December 2021 during the year 2 service as an ongoing product recall at the time.
So without any expertise in auto tech matters or fuel pumps, the smell of petrol suggests to me that the fuel pump itself was working fine, and that for whatever other reason, 'something else' had decided not to play ball.
That is, until about an hour later and everything had cooled down (and of course, after the Westbourne recovery truck was well on its way to Dorking, courtesy of my AXA breakdown policy via A-Plan insurance; but thanks anyway chaps!). I pressed the start/stop button and the engine fired up as normal, no warning lights or message, etc.
So now I'm as unclear as anyone else as to what's actually happening and what's causing the problem. From the various threads and posts here and on the Facebook page, it's clear that some (the actualnumber would be good to know) Alps of varying ages and mileages have just stopped, and been left stranded on the roadside or in one case, the middle of a motorway. Some others like mine have stopped and then later restarted.
My fuel pump's already been replaced 18 months ago, and I have since added the Life110 hoses, a K-Tec race exhaust and the Life110 remap about a year ago. Two of us then took my Alp to Bedford Autodrome for a novice trackday and on what was a very hot day (high 20s, maybe 30c, probably warmer on the track itself), pushed the Alp as fast as we could (me as a complete beginner, t'other chap as an experienced racer of racing Meganes) and there wasn't a hint of a problem, aside of needing to deflate the tyres a bit after his hot laps!
In short, lucid and expert explanations of this apparent fuel starvation/fuel pump issue will be very welcome!
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