Which PH'ers have placed a deposit on an Emira?
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av185 said:
Most convertibles are way too flexible.
Unless of course one has a carbon tub.
Or a Boxster.
The point was they’ve shown the GT4 before having delivered a single car….I was making the sarcastic comment that they’ll probably show a convertible next, still before having delivered a car.Unless of course one has a carbon tub.
Or a Boxster.
Carbon tubs like Mclaren are ideal for convertibles I agree, but Boxster is nothing special rigidity wise.
av185 said:
My Boxster Spyder was as rigid as my GT4.
We’re way off topic here, It might have felt it but data suggests actual reality is otherwise….Porsche 718 Cayman 41,000 NM/deg
Porsche 718 Boxster 19,000 NM/deg
Arguably is doesn’t matter, perception is reality and all that, so if it felt good, great.
Excellence magazine June 2020 issue, "with a torsional righty figure of 41,000Nm/degree of twist, the 718 Cayman's shell is one of the stiffest in the business, resisting twist better even than some cars made from carbon-fiber. In comparison, even the new 992-gen 911 has a rating of 'just' 39,000 Nm/degree. The 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 has the same power and nearly the same curb weight as the Cayman, but its 19,000 Nm/degree torsional rigidity is just half the structural stiffness of its coupe sister. For perspective, the 959 supercar had a torsional rigidity of 12,900 Nm/degree."
Edited by bertie on Thursday 5th May 23:36
fridaypassion said:
The Evora tub could be convertible without affecting rotational rigidity fwiw the roof isn't part of the structure of the chassis.
The tub MAY just have been designed to have a certain torsional rigidity - but the roof will make a HUGE difference to the actual figure achieved. Even bolting on a hard top makes a big difference to an open car. The carbon tub of open supercars may make them adequately stiff - but they will still be stiffer with a roof, it's a simple matter of physics.ThisInJapanese said:
bertie said:
ThisInJapanese said:
Nice, but I'd like to see an i4 before I see a GT4...
Probably see the convertible out soon ….Jokes aside... be nice to see a car first, also be nice to see Lotus have some of Porsches (recent at least) sucess as a business.
bertie said:
is it, target the Porsche model of having 76 varients of 911 plus a constant stream of special editions.
Jokes aside... be nice to see a car first, also be nice to see Lotus have some of Porsches (recent at least) sucess as a business.
Yeah, fully agree. I'm hoping that they will have some at Goodwood. Jokes aside... be nice to see a car first, also be nice to see Lotus have some of Porsches (recent at least) sucess as a business.
Modern cars routinely exceed the level of stiffness necessary to avoid damaging the handling - you're then into the realm of what comes out as a side effect of crash performance and is desirable from a creaks and rattles point of view. The level of stiffness required also depends on the mass and wheelbase and track of the car.
otolith said:
Modern cars routinely exceed the level of stiffness necessary to avoid damaging the handling - you're then into the realm of what comes out as a side effect of crash performance and is desirable from a creaks and rattles point of view. The level of stiffness required also depends on the mass and wheelbase and track of the car.
That's largely true of closed cars, which are typically around twice as stiff as open versions of the same car . Not at all true of cars designed as saloons/coupes and then made into convertibles, and some sports cars - MX5 for example - are very marginal. A 911 convertible (991) is pretty dreadful too as is reflected in its torsional rigidity of 11700nm/degree very poor for a vehicle of that weight - about the same as an Elise weighing half as much.bcr5784 said:
That's largely true of closed cars, which are typically around twice as stiff as open versions of the same car . Not at all true of cars designed as saloons/coupes and then made into convertibles, and some sports cars - MX5 for example - are very marginal. A 911 convertible (991) is pretty dreadful too as is reflected in its torsional rigidity of 11700nm/degree very poor for a vehicle of that weight - about the same as an Elise weighing half as much.
Is the MX-5 known as an ill-handling car?otolith said:
Is the MX-5 known as an ill-handling car?
No, but it is regarded as a fun handling car rather than an outstanding handling car. No-one would compare it with an Elise, for example. It certainly feels more together with a roll cage and hardtop. Others use a butterfly brace and/or door bars to increase stiffness, so clearly many consider it an issue.Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 6th May 17:58
Finally got an email. My V6 FE will be available to me in ………………….. summer 2023.
I ordered in November so quite late. But isn’t that after the non FE cars should start being delivered?
It seems quite a long time or am I letting disappointment get the better of me?
My disappointment not being helped by passing a test car on the a47 last week.
I ordered in November so quite late. But isn’t that after the non FE cars should start being delivered?
It seems quite a long time or am I letting disappointment get the better of me?
My disappointment not being helped by passing a test car on the a47 last week.
Edited by ntiz on Friday 6th May 18:25
ntiz said:
Finally got an email. My V6 FE will be available to me in ………………….. summer 2023.
I ordered in November so quite late. But isn’t that after the non FE cars should start being delivered?
It seems quite a long time or am I letting disappointment get the better of me?
My disappointment not being helped by passing a test car on the a47 last week.
Mine is Spring 23. I'm happy with that. No excuses not to make space for it!I ordered in November so quite late. But isn’t that after the non FE cars should start being delivered?
It seems quite a long time or am I letting disappointment get the better of me?
My disappointment not being helped by passing a test car on the a47 last week.
Edited by ntiz on Friday 6th May 18:25
Great to watch this documentary about the birth of Emira's and Lotus's New beginning again. I like the human element of it, good to see people's motivations and troubles too.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/lotus-a-new-da...
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/lotus-a-new-da...
bertie said:
The point was they’ve shown the GT4 before having delivered a single car….
It feels like I've had more emails from Lotus about the Eletre and the GT4 Emira than I have about the Emira I have on order. I'm baffled by their lack of communication on the build up to delivering the car.
How great would it have been to get fortnightly or monthly newsletters focusing on different aspects of the design or engineering to keep the excitement and anticipation up?
As it is warmer weather has arrived and I'm wondering why I'd swap a Boxster GTS for the Lotus ☹️
for those still deliberating on colour choice - This just popped up in my email - looks like a VG car in the flesh to me..!:
(With Tan Interior)
link to Louts website: https://www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/driving-academy/
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(With Tan Interior)
link to Louts website: https://www.lotuscars.com/en-GB/driving-academy/
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