Discounted stock Emiras...
Discussion
fridaypassion said:
Just for a bit of balance if anyone is reading about the faults and issues with the Emira which have played no small part in the market for them...my 2500 mile old GT4 has come up with a dynamic engine mount fault over the weekend. Cant get into Porsche for nearly 2 weeks for it to be looked at so its not just Lotus with issues!
Picked up my 992 on Friday and the pedal covers fell off on the way home. The Emira managed at least a couple of weeks before anything fell off 
fridaypassion said:
Just for a bit of balance if anyone is reading about the faults and issues with the Emira which have played no small part in the market for them...my 2500 mile old GT4 has come up with a dynamic engine mount fault over the weekend. Cant get into Porsche for nearly 2 weeks for it to be looked at so its not just Lotus with issues!
Wish you'd bought an Emira instead? 
Sukh13 said:
PADM failed are common on 991s more widely I thought?
Caysters too. That said there aren't many other common failures that I read about. Even that failure should have been sorted by now, it's been around for a long time.Edited by Sukh13 on Thursday 4th April 17:22
So you might reasonably give a new(ish) car more slack, but the Emira has needed far too much slack for many.
Denno B said:
How would you compare the two?
Still running in the 992 at the mo but so far…Ride is similar frequency to Sport suspension but frankly better damped with less nose in the low speed so it’s more compliant and less bouncy.
Steering is, im a little sad to say, better on the Porsche, more linear and razor sharp so easier to place the car on a twisty road and just more enjoyable. The Emira steering feels too light and a little inconsistent in comparison.
Since I had the shift adjusted on the Emira I’d say the shift at lower engine speeds is actually more positive but I’m almost certain the Porsche will be a bit slicker at high rpm where the Emira can still baulk if you rush it (although I haven’t experienced it since it was adjusted)
Emira sounds subjectively better from the outside but still running in so not extended the Porsche yet, and I know the n/a flat 6 engines sound fab at full revs, I’ve been deafened by racing enough of them.
The Porsche is more refined driveline wise and generally just a bit better resolved in terms of engine calibration
Emira is easier to get in and out of (although I have fixed back seats in the 992) and the interior I personally don’t think makes you feel shortchanged compared to the Porsche.
I’m guessing but I’d say the Porsche would wipe the floor with it on track but then I’ve been pretty disappointed with the way my Emira handles on circuit compared to the Evoras I had before
Generally overall I’d say the Porsche feels the better car but it should do, it’s more than double the money. The disappointing aspect is that in the past a Lotus and a Porsche would be far apart in aesthetics/perceived quality but close in terms of the way they drive whereas it feels distinctly the opposite.
That said I think the Emira is a better suspension tune and a bit more poke away from giving it a fright.
Edited by The Wookie on Friday 5th April 22:27
stanlow45 said:
Interesting feedback and I believe you are a racing driver. I’ve driven both but I must say the hydraulic steering on the Emira reminded me of my old 987 days, unfortunately long superseded by epas. I found it vastly better for feedback but then Porsche rarely drop the ball.
The i4 steering is noticeably different to the V6 being electro-hydraulic - I'm not great at describing things but more precise / balanced without being twitchy.stanlow45 said:
Interesting feedback and I believe you are a racing driver. I’ve driven both but I must say the hydraulic steering on the Emira reminded me of my old 987 days, unfortunately long superseded by epas. I found it vastly better for feedback but then Porsche rarely drop the ball.
Sorry but I can’t agree, superficially the 987s would have a similar sort of oiliness that comes from a hydraulic rack but that’s not all that makes a good steering car. In fact by my recollection I always found the 987’s and contemporary 997’s to be a bit slow geared and flat in terms of effort build up compared to an Evora. The Evoras were very lively on centre and the effort tapered off at the limit of grip really nicelyThe Emira just doesn’t have it for me. I’ve tweaked the geo to give it a bit more feedback around the centre but it’s still a bit dead as the car goes into understeer.
The Emira can’t match the Porsche in terms of linearity and accuracy either which is as much about the way the car rolls as the lateral acceleration builds up. The early Evoras were excellent for this, even though they rolled a bit the front and rear were well matched and they were very progressive. The Emira just feels a bit bound up at the front and soft at the rear to me.
The 992 might be a bit more filtered and have a bit less texture on centre but you can feel the limit of grip as the car goes into understeer and you never have to think about placing the car, whatever the energy level.
I think the Emira can be fixed, in fact I’d venture any difference between the I4 and the V6 is more likely to be around the specifics of the installation rather than the simple fact that the pump is electrically driven.
It’s also worth noting that I only found a lot of this criticism when I took it on track, it’s still a fine road car
Edited by The Wookie on Friday 5th April 23:55
Just jumping in here... I did the 'lotus experience' on the Hethel track today, I own a 997.1, and have done the Porsche experience at Silverstone in a 991.2. All manual.
Thoughts...
I like the gear change on the Emira the best. Maybe if I got the short shift kit for the 997 that would be similar, but in std its much longer and 'looser'. Emira is not caterham direct, but it reminded me of it a bit with it's close, mechanical, nature.
The 991 was by far the most premium. Had a genuine 'wow this is nice' factor. Emira next. Then 997. Not a surprise!
Noise wise, 997 wins, then Emira. The 991 was a bit muted.
Track driving wise... Well not done the 997 yet, but the 991 was the most confidence inspiring, but I had more fun in emira, but possibly because you seem to change gear more. The Porsche is so ridiculously good you can be a bit lazy and still get about quickly.
So the 997 is old and worth about 25k, so not a fair comparison really. But a 991.2 and a nearly new emira are about the same cost. Which would I choose? If it's your first grown up sports car, or your main car, probably the Porsche. Get a manual and you will have something unusual and great.
But, but.. if you have done the Porsche thing, or just fancy something a bit different, the lotus is a great option. I wish they had given it analogue dials, a sunroof (personal thing), and a nicer steering wheel, but when I was in it, it just felt 'right'. I'm a rubbish car reviewer but some cars you just dont gel with, this I did.
Thoughts...
I like the gear change on the Emira the best. Maybe if I got the short shift kit for the 997 that would be similar, but in std its much longer and 'looser'. Emira is not caterham direct, but it reminded me of it a bit with it's close, mechanical, nature.
The 991 was by far the most premium. Had a genuine 'wow this is nice' factor. Emira next. Then 997. Not a surprise!
Noise wise, 997 wins, then Emira. The 991 was a bit muted.
Track driving wise... Well not done the 997 yet, but the 991 was the most confidence inspiring, but I had more fun in emira, but possibly because you seem to change gear more. The Porsche is so ridiculously good you can be a bit lazy and still get about quickly.
So the 997 is old and worth about 25k, so not a fair comparison really. But a 991.2 and a nearly new emira are about the same cost. Which would I choose? If it's your first grown up sports car, or your main car, probably the Porsche. Get a manual and you will have something unusual and great.
But, but.. if you have done the Porsche thing, or just fancy something a bit different, the lotus is a great option. I wish they had given it analogue dials, a sunroof (personal thing), and a nicer steering wheel, but when I was in it, it just felt 'right'. I'm a rubbish car reviewer but some cars you just dont gel with, this I did.
Sukh13 said:
Sukh13 said:
88 cars for sale
20 are £70k or less
20 of the 56 used cars (with more than 100 miles) are £70k or less.
Prices of used cars are coming down (increase from one quarter to one third being £70k or less)
57 used cars for sale20 are £70k or less
20 of the 56 used cars (with more than 100 miles) are £70k or less.
Prices of used cars are coming down (increase from one quarter to one third being £70k or less)
22 are 70k or less
40% priced at £70k or less....
Quite a few stone chips and paint bubbling across several panels.
The Wookie said:
Still running in the 992 at the mo but so far…
Ride is similar frequency to Sport suspension but frankly better damped with less nose in the low speed so it’s more compliant and less bouncy.
Steering is, im a little sad to say, better on the Porsche, more linear and razor sharp so easier to place the car on a twisty road and just more enjoyable. The Emira steering feels too light and a little inconsistent in comparison.
Since I had the shift adjusted on the Emira I’d say the shift at lower engine speeds is actually more positive but I’m almost certain the Porsche will be a bit slicker at high rpm where the Emira can still baulk if you rush it (although I haven’t experienced it since it was adjusted)
Emira sounds subjectively better from the outside but still running in so not extended the Porsche yet, and I know the n/a flat 6 engines sound fab at full revs, I’ve been deafened by racing enough of them.
The Porsche is more refined driveline wise and generally just a bit better resolved in terms of engine calibration
Emira is easier to get in and out of (although I have fixed back seats in the 992) and the interior I personally don’t think makes you feel shortchanged compared to the Porsche.
I’m guessing but I’d say the Porsche would wipe the floor with it on track but then I’ve been pretty disappointed with the way my Emira handles on circuit compared to the Evoras I had before
Generally overall I’d say the Porsche feels the better car but it should do, it’s more than double the money. The disappointing aspect is that in the past a Lotus and a Porsche would be far apart in aesthetics/perceived quality but close in terms of the way they drive whereas it feels distinctly the opposite.
That said I think the Emira is a better suspension tune and a bit more poke away from giving it a fright.
Thank you for the comparison, like you say I guess the 992 should be significantly better given the price difference but interesting to hear off someone who owns both.Ride is similar frequency to Sport suspension but frankly better damped with less nose in the low speed so it’s more compliant and less bouncy.
Steering is, im a little sad to say, better on the Porsche, more linear and razor sharp so easier to place the car on a twisty road and just more enjoyable. The Emira steering feels too light and a little inconsistent in comparison.
Since I had the shift adjusted on the Emira I’d say the shift at lower engine speeds is actually more positive but I’m almost certain the Porsche will be a bit slicker at high rpm where the Emira can still baulk if you rush it (although I haven’t experienced it since it was adjusted)
Emira sounds subjectively better from the outside but still running in so not extended the Porsche yet, and I know the n/a flat 6 engines sound fab at full revs, I’ve been deafened by racing enough of them.
The Porsche is more refined driveline wise and generally just a bit better resolved in terms of engine calibration
Emira is easier to get in and out of (although I have fixed back seats in the 992) and the interior I personally don’t think makes you feel shortchanged compared to the Porsche.
I’m guessing but I’d say the Porsche would wipe the floor with it on track but then I’ve been pretty disappointed with the way my Emira handles on circuit compared to the Evoras I had before
Generally overall I’d say the Porsche feels the better car but it should do, it’s more than double the money. The disappointing aspect is that in the past a Lotus and a Porsche would be far apart in aesthetics/perceived quality but close in terms of the way they drive whereas it feels distinctly the opposite.
That said I think the Emira is a better suspension tune and a bit more poke away from giving it a fright.
Edited by The Wookie on Friday 5th April 22:27
Quite liking the look of the Verdant car at Jack Henry.
How would one know if it’s a touring or sport spec?
https://www.jackhenrygroup.co.uk/vehicle/lotus-emi...
How would one know if it’s a touring or sport spec?
https://www.jackhenrygroup.co.uk/vehicle/lotus-emi...
Square Leg said:
Quite liking the look of the Verdant car at Jack Henry.
How would one know if it’s a touring or sport spec?
https://www.jackhenrygroup.co.uk/vehicle/lotus-emi...
It has Goodyears, so it’s likely to be Touring. How would one know if it’s a touring or sport spec?
https://www.jackhenrygroup.co.uk/vehicle/lotus-emi...
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