Anyone placed an Order for the Taycan yet?
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ArshadM said:
BATTERY QUESTION TAYCAN: As of now, Porsche has not come up with battery plans after 8 years. Panamera battery start failing after 6-10 years. Will this car be junk when battery fails. Remember this would be the same battery they use in Panamera.
LEASE OR BUY: if I buy Taycan gs for £96000 through my company. I will get £3500 allowance initially from government. Then I get 18% first year allowance. Long term, I will have to pay 40% tax on this money if I take from company savings which I will have to ultimately say many years down the road.
the maths work as: 96000-35000=92,500-18%(16,650)=75,850 ; -40%(30,340)===£45,510 is net cost to me.
if I lease, the cost in 4 years 57,600 or £115,200 over 8 years. ( I will get deductions of allowance which is 3.5k, 16,6k. Will also get 40% tax rebate. so investment over 8 years in tacan is £54,956.
if I buy taycan outright, I end up paying 45,510 net from my pocket. If I lease it for 4 +4 years, I end of paying 54,956£ at least. Remember we have to pay BIK in future. Write off is 18-25% per year. That means, after 4 years, we will not have to pay any BIK if we bought it outright.
any thoughts about above maths please including battery failure problem!
There's 100% FYA for taycan, rather than 18%WDA if i'm not mistaken?LEASE OR BUY: if I buy Taycan gs for £96000 through my company. I will get £3500 allowance initially from government. Then I get 18% first year allowance. Long term, I will have to pay 40% tax on this money if I take from company savings which I will have to ultimately say many years down the road.
the maths work as: 96000-35000=92,500-18%(16,650)=75,850 ; -40%(30,340)===£45,510 is net cost to me.
if I lease, the cost in 4 years 57,600 or £115,200 over 8 years. ( I will get deductions of allowance which is 3.5k, 16,6k. Will also get 40% tax rebate. so investment over 8 years in tacan is £54,956.
if I buy taycan outright, I end up paying 45,510 net from my pocket. If I lease it for 4 +4 years, I end of paying 54,956£ at least. Remember we have to pay BIK in future. Write off is 18-25% per year. That means, after 4 years, we will not have to pay any BIK if we bought it outright.
any thoughts about above maths please including battery failure problem!
I see the rational for the other maths but the 40% is not a simple subtraction?
ArshadM said:
100% FYA will be 18K on about 96-100k vehicle. A friend who bought a Tesla has been told by his accountant that it can be bought as an asset for company!
yes, that's right.That's why from april onwards it makes sense for outright purchase - company pays for it, you pay nothing as there's hardly any BIK to speak of for next few yrs. That's why your maths did not make sense.
there is no 40%, as you are not extracting div to pay for it.
SuperPav said:
The only forced option at the moment is the £767 Mobile Charger Connect which you can't deselect on the configurator. No other options will be forced onto your order (and if they were you can cancel). The lease company will be buying from a Porsche dealer, not Porsche directly.
Thank you SuperPav. I'm going to order it tomorrow. Probably a long waiting listYorkshirepuds said:
noneedtolift said:
Fabulous... very jealous!Any thoughts / spec suggestions / likes / dislikes etc. after a couple of weeks of real world ownership?
Infotainment has still some bugs related to the Porsche ID but software update was released this week. It is an early car so I sort of expected that.
The design of the user interface is again different to the other models in places, which can be irritating.
Probably useful advice for first timers: the communication between car and charger can take quite some time. At the beginning I thought that something was wrong as nothing was happening and hence reconnected the plug, hence starting the process all over... Even departed once and searched for the next charger. Takes long with Porsche's charger but is especially true for public chargers.
Another useful thing is to observe your braking distances as you don't feel the mass until you have to brake hard at high speeds - you defo feel the mass there and the ABS kicks in quite quickly, too.
Also, when it rains it is important to quickly switch the aircon from "eco" to normal as the windows otherwise steam up incredably quickly. Apart from that, the only thing I think is really badly done is the lower C-Pillar and sill cover on the inside which looks like it was borrowed from a Dacia Logan.
To all of you that are waiting - it is worth it, fabolus car!!
Edited by noneedtolift on Friday 13th March 12:03
noneedtolift said:
Sorry for the late reply. It is quite frankly one of the best daily cars I have ever possesed. Feels very 21st century. Front end & steering is fabolus and the punch and response is unreal coming from petrol cars. Range and consumption seems to be as advertised but I have an ideal commuting profile. First cross country next week, see how goes...
Infotainment has still some bugs related to the Porsche ID but software update was released this week. It is an early car so I sort of expected that.
The design of the user interface is again different to the other models in places, which can be irritating.
Probably useful advice for first timers: the communication between car and charger can take quite some time. At the beginning I thought that something was wrong as nothing was happening and hence reconnected the plug, hence starting the process all over... Even departed once and searched for the next charger. Takes long with Porsche's charger but is especially true for public chargers.
Another useful thing is to observe your braking distances as you don't feel the mass until you have to brake hard at high speeds - you defo feel the mass there and the ABS kicks in quite quickly, too.
Also, when it rains it is important to quickly switch the aircon from "eco" to normal as the windows otherwise steam up incredably quickly. Apart from that, the only thing I think is really badly done is the lower C-Pillar and sill cover on the inside which looks like it was borrowed from a Dacia Logan.
To all of you that are waiting - it is worth it, fabolus car!!
how bad is the range?Infotainment has still some bugs related to the Porsche ID but software update was released this week. It is an early car so I sort of expected that.
The design of the user interface is again different to the other models in places, which can be irritating.
Probably useful advice for first timers: the communication between car and charger can take quite some time. At the beginning I thought that something was wrong as nothing was happening and hence reconnected the plug, hence starting the process all over... Even departed once and searched for the next charger. Takes long with Porsche's charger but is especially true for public chargers.
Another useful thing is to observe your braking distances as you don't feel the mass until you have to brake hard at high speeds - you defo feel the mass there and the ABS kicks in quite quickly, too.
Also, when it rains it is important to quickly switch the aircon from "eco" to normal as the windows otherwise steam up incredably quickly. Apart from that, the only thing I think is really badly done is the lower C-Pillar and sill cover on the inside which looks like it was borrowed from a Dacia Logan.
To all of you that are waiting - it is worth it, fabolus car!!
Edited by noneedtolift on Friday 13th March 12:03
WCZ said:
how bad is the range?
Not bad at all - considering the temperatures I get about 300 km at 80% charge which is easily enough for me even with a very heavy right foot. Over 1.500 km in cold to very cold temps I average 29,2 kwh/100km. So on average range is about 320 kms... This is with 40 Autobahn kilometers daily going as fast as traffic is permitting. So at slower speeds I think on my commute I'd see a range between 350 and 400 km easily.
As you asked for must have spec, "must" in my opinion:
Porsche Sport Sound
Inno drive
Passenger display
PDCC
heat pump
Range manager
Smart home energy manager
In hindsight I'm tee'd of that I didn't go for the noise insulating glass thing. Was still firmly in the petrol car world, but I think having even more noise insulation makes total sense in an electric car and would have been cool. Well, too late now.
Porsche Sport Sound
Inno drive
Passenger display
PDCC
heat pump
Range manager
Smart home energy manager
In hindsight I'm tee'd of that I didn't go for the noise insulating glass thing. Was still firmly in the petrol car world, but I think having even more noise insulation makes total sense in an electric car and would have been cool. Well, too late now.
noneedtolift said:
In hindsight I'm tee'd of that I didn't go for the noise insulating glass thing. Was still firmly in the petrol car world, but I think having even more noise insulation makes total sense in an electric car and would have been cool. Well, too late now.
Ah... interesting. I was wondering about that, I've never specced noise insulation glass before but will give it serious though for this one.Thanks for all the observations, very helpful!
noneedtolift said:
WCZ said:
how bad is the range?
Not bad at all - considering the temperatures I get about 300 km at 80% charge which is easily enough for me even with a very heavy right foot. Over 1.500 km in cold to very cold temps I average 29,2 kwh/100km. So on average range is about 320 kms... This is with 40 Autobahn kilometers daily going as fast as traffic is permitting. So at slower speeds I think on my commute I'd see a range between 350 and 400 km easily.
MDL111 said:
That’s really helpful - the “go as fast as traffic permits” range impact part is what nobody ever seemed to be able to answer on here. Might want one of those at some point
Thx. I think if you stay below 150 kph it really, really helps the range. I think when sticking to a a 70mph speed limit it will go easily towards 400 km...noneedtolift said:
MDL111 said:
That’s really helpful - the “go as fast as traffic permits” range impact part is what nobody ever seemed to be able to answer on here. Might want one of those at some point
Thx. I think if you stay below 150 kph it really, really helps the range. I think when sticking to a a 70mph speed limit it will go easily towards 400 km...My commute is a third each for Autobahn, city (with heavy traffic) and A road. City driving average is low (I guess 30 kph) with a lot of stopping and going. A road average is about 90 kph, and Autobahn about 160 I would guess. Total commute is about 60 kms. It never drops below 200 km range and I normally take of with 80% charge (default charge limit suggestion is 85%).
Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Edited by noneedtolift on Sunday 15th March 09:51
My commute is a third each for Autobahn, city (with heavy traffic) and A road. City driving average is low (I guess 30 kph) with a lot of stopping and going. A road average is about 90 kph, and Autobahn about 160 I would guess. Total commute is about 60 kms. It never drops below 200 km range and I normally take of with 80% charge (default charge limit suggestion is 85%).
Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Edited by noneedtolift on Sunday 15th March 10:08
noneedtolift said:
My commute is a third each for Autobahn, city (with heavy traffic) and A road. City driving average is low (I guess 30 kph) with a lot of stopping and going. A road average is about 90 kph, and Autobahn about 160 I would guess. Total commute is about 60 kms. It never drops below 200 km range and I normally take of with 80% charge (default charge limit suggestion is 85%).
Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Great thank you that helps a lot. Really need to try one at some point soon Even when going flat out on the Autobahn bits and/or having to brake hard and accelerate again to Vmax numerous times it will stay above 200 km.
Hope that answers your question MDL? Happy to try with exact numbers tomorrow - if I’m not in quarantine that is.
Edited to add: There’s a test by some EV youtubers that ran it at 200 kmh+ and it laster for 1h and a bit.
Edited by noneedtolift on Sunday 15th March 09:51
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