Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

[Digga]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Murph7355 said:

I can see what you mean ref the SD1.

When I had a 4S CT on test, I also felt it was a perfect RS4 replacement (I have a B7).

GTS ST on order....I imagine it will arrive Q1 next year with luck.

I'm struggling with the comparison with the SD1 (my Dad had a woefully under-power 2.3 version!)

Same for me (to replace a B8 RS4)

Hoping my GTS ST will arrive before September this year!

Its the way the centre console is flat/square and angles up to the dash, and then the way the instrument binnacle sits as a sort of separate entity. The design definitely works anyway.

[BorkBorkBork]

Murph7355 said:

Digga said:

Jonny TVR said:

Test drove a turbo yesterday. First porsche and first EV and loved it. Power is instant and impressively quick .. cabin lovely 0lace to be. Decided on black with the carbon finish wheels. Just got to wait until next year now! My countach in their car park caused a bit of a stir amongst the black and grey porsches!

Will make a great compliment to your existing garage.

Apropos the Taycan interior, is it me, or is there something very Rover SD1 about it? Which is not bad thing at all. In fact, to me, the Turismo is very much a contemporary 4 seat hatch, a kind of mash up of SD1 and a 4 door 928.

I can see what you mean ref the SD1.

When I had a 4S CT on test, I also felt it was a perfect RS4 replacement (I have a B7).

GTS ST on order....I imagine it will arrive Q1 next year with luck.

The 4S CT is head and shoulders above the RS4 B9.5 I had.

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

Digga said:

ts the way the centre console is flat/square and angles up to the dash, and then the way the instrument binnacle sits as a sort of separate entity. The design definitely works anyway.

I’ve googled some pictures and I can sort of see what you mean - the dash isn’t how I remember it!

[Digga]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Digga said:

ts the way the centre console is flat/square and angles up to the dash, and then the way the instrument binnacle sits as a sort of separate entity. The design definitely works anyway.

I’ve googled some pictures and I can sort of see what you mean - the dash isn’t how I remember it!

It’s really not a bad design to evoke. The SD1 was pretty modern and original in its day.

[Murph7355]

BorkBorkBork said:

The 4S CT is head and shoulders above the RS4 B9.5 I had.

The RS4 was on a downhill path after the B7 IMO...not as incisive. Perhaps better as a long distance cruiser, but that's not really what the RS4 was about for me.

I thought the CT was very, very good on the roads by me (where the B7 RS4 excels), despite it's width and weight (it shrunk around me in no time).

[Jonny TVR]

Trying to spec out my car.

PPBKZ693
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBKZ693

Are there any must have options? Don't understand the charging options

[JJMatrixx]

Car finally arrived...albeit my lease company fked up and didn't spec the black alloys...still to be resolved but I was gutted about that to say the least! That and the 4 seat debacle leave this a pretty stty experience.

Anyway, onto the car coming from a Tesla M3 performance:

1. It feels a lot slower and for me the 4s isn't enough. I like more shove. For many it will be fine. It's also way more composed and has much more traction so I suspect the gap feels bigger than it actually is.
2. I don't like the 2 gear setup, as there is a slight kickdown delay. It's an EV and should be instant IMO. Upside is I think the kw/mi is a bit higher.
3. The regen resets every time you leave the car. Button on the steering wheel to easily activate it, but it should hold the last setting.
4. The infotainment is terrible in comparison. Menus feel old school and coming from 1 screen that does everything is a big downside from a daily driver perspective. For example simple things like having sat nav and spotify up at the one time are not really an option.
5. Porsche inno drive is a total waste of time. It doesn't lock you in the lane properly and requires some steering pressure. In a Tesla you can keep this pressure on and it won't affect the steering. In the taycan, it will move the car. It also doesn't take off properly in traffic so there's just way too much manual input to make this worthwhile.
6. I don't think I'm missing Sport Chrono - there's a sport button on the centre console, which is easy to access and I don't play with the other settings much, which are also easy to change on the binnacle.

On spotify, I've linked my account through the app but can't access it on the infotainment - anyone help with that? All I see is Apple Music.

[Digga]

Jonny TVR said:

Trying to spec out my car.

PPBKZ693
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBKZ693

Are there any must have options? Don't understand the charging options

Personally, I didn't bother with any charging options. The 150kW option is debatable, as it increases charging from 50kW, but there are not yet many public charge points above 50kW and on the OPC 800V charge points (most public are only 400V), it makes no difference anyway.

The Tequipment Mode 3 cable is worth buying if you plan to use un-tethered public/workplace charge points. IME most EV's come with these, but Porsche not.

[Discombobulate]

Jonny TVR said:

Trying to spec out my car.

PPBKZ693
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBKZ693

Are there any must have options? Don't understand the charging options

Go for the 150kW option (it is the future). Ignore the 22kW upgrade (useless unless you have 3 phase at home).

[Jonny TVR]

is 3 phase expensive to get put in?

[garystoybox]

Jonny TVR said:

is 3 phase expensive to get put in?

I was quoted £24k for my property…. So that’s a yes…

[Digga]

garystoybox said:

Jonny TVR said:

is 3 phase expensive to get put in?

I was quoted £24k for my property…. So that’s a yes…

Furthermore, depending on the supply to your property - the local substation etc. - you may not even be able to get 3-phase at all.

[Jonny TVR]

ok so that answers that one thank you

[ds666]

JJMatrixx said:

2. I don't like the 2 gear setup, as there is a slight kickdown delay. It's an EV and should be instant IMO. Upside is I think the kw/mi is a bit higher.


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I agree with you on the kickdown and actually it can be quite brutal . If, however, you put the car in sport or sport plus , it holds and starts off in the lower gear . I tend to put it in sport but knock the dampers back to normal , unless making progress.

[Murph7355]

Jonny TVR said:

Trying to spec out my car.

PPBKZ693
http://www.porsche-code.com/PPBKZ693

Are there any must have options? Don't understand the charging options

Rear axle steering is one a lot of people are specifying at the moment. Meant to make a big difference at low speeds especially, but also high speed too.

Aside from aesthetic things to make the interior a nicer place, I also want adaptive cruise/lane change assist/comfort access. They should be std at this level, IMO, and I use them on other cars that have them.

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

Rear axle steering is one a lot of people are specifying at the moment...

I agree with that. Whilst I've not driven one without, with RWS you can get into and out of tight spots a car this size has no right to be able to make. I'd get the surround cameras too.

[BorkBorkBork]

Rear axle steering is a must. As above, makes it a much smaller car in tight spaces and only adds to the agility when cornering at speed.

I also went with PDCC and PTV+, as I wanted it to be as dynamic a drive as possible. I haven’t driven a Taycan without these options so can’t really judge how good they are, other than to say it’s great on the twisty stuff.

I went with the 150kw option too for the DC charging. If Tesla open up their superchargers, I believe this makes a difference? Someone will correct me on that I’m sure if that turns out to be bks.

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

Jonny TVR said:

is 3 phase expensive to get put in?

I was lucky that there was an existing 3-phase set-up in place, just not active, so there was only a £1,900 charge to install a new meter and get this set up.

I’ve heard most people being quoted £10k-£20k

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

BorkBorkBork said:

I went with the 150kw option too for the DC charging. If Tesla open up their superchargers, I believe this makes a difference? Someone will correct me on that I’m sure if that turns out to be bks.

Spot on - for £294 it’s a no-brainer, particularly given the latest news from Tesla.

[Flying machine]

JJMatrixx said:

Car finally arrived...albeit my lease company fked up and didn't spec the black alloys...still to be resolved but I was gutted about that to say the least! That and the 4 seat debacle leave this a pretty stty experience.

Anyway, onto the car coming from a Tesla M3 performance:

1. It feels a lot slower and for me the 4s isn't enough. I like more shove. For many it will be fine. It's also way more composed and has much more traction so I suspect the gap feels bigger than it actually is.
2. I don't like the 2 gear setup, as there is a slight kickdown delay. It's an EV and should be instant IMO. Upside is I think the kw/mi is a bit higher.
3. The regen resets every time you leave the car. Button on the steering wheel to easily activate it, but it should hold the last setting.
4. The infotainment is terrible in comparison. Menus feel old school and coming from 1 screen that does everything is a big downside from a daily driver perspective. For example simple things like having sat nav and spotify up at the one time are not really an option.
5. Porsche inno drive is a total waste of time. It doesn't lock you in the lane properly and requires some steering pressure. In a Tesla you can keep this pressure on and it won't affect the steering. In the taycan, it will move the car. It also doesn't take off properly in traffic so there's just way too much manual input to make this worthwhile.
6. I don't think I'm missing Sport Chrono - there's a sport button on the centre console, which is easy to access and I don't play with the other settings much, which are also easy to change on the binnacle.

On spotify, I've linked my account through the app but can't access it on the infotainment - anyone help with that? All I see is Apple Music.

Nice looking car, it's a shame to hear that you're not impressed though. Perhaps you should have gone for the turbo? Like you, I had a Tesla M3 performance before my Taycan CT Turbo and apart from size, anonymity and the charging network, there is nothing I prefer about the Tesla. I'm not trying to be negative about the M3 at all though and I have to say that I found the Tesla to be a revelation and I was very impressed (coming from an A45 before that, which felt very outdated, and slow in comparison), it's just that the Taycan is much better, but it should be given the price (perhaps that's the 4th thing I prefer about the Tesla!). The brakes and handling are far sharper on the Taycan too - it feels like a car maker has made an EV rather than the other way around if that makes sense?

I'm curious about your comments re performance as numerous other PHer's state that the 4S is more than enough. I've not driven a 4S so can't comment, but the turbo feels as quick as the Tesla from the get go, and IMO it's noticeably quicker than the M3 at speeds from 50+ which is perfect for overtaking.

The infotainment is a personal choice of course, I think both solutions are fine although it took me a little while to get used to the central display on the Tesla. Have you got a HUD option - it's great IMO.

RE Spotify - use Carplay and it should replicate your phone shouldn't it? I access Tidal this way.