Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
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BorkBorkBork said:
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
BorkBorkBork said:
It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. 
All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
If that’s your priority, a 2.3 tonne EV probably isn’t the best option!All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
Still no prices on the standard Cross Turismo, they can't have been doing website maintenance for 2 weeks. https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/taycan/taycan-mo...
What is going on?
What is going on?
Wouldn’t be surprised in the formula for whatever price increase is due got a bit more complex this week. Inflation up, interest rates up, parts supply in chips from china going to get hit again with lockdowns, and with many key components for,Porsche / Bosch made in Ukraine supplies of those (I was told wiring loom for Taycan is Ukrainian made for example) is going to be interrupted ‘ reduced ‘ patchy potentially.
If supply is reduced, with deman still high then going to need to bump prices further to maintain profitability for the group,I would think…
All this is speculative and could be wrong, so maybe someone just didn’t push publish when they should have on the website…
If supply is reduced, with deman still high then going to need to bump prices further to maintain profitability for the group,I would think…
All this is speculative and could be wrong, so maybe someone just didn’t push publish when they should have on the website…
mr_tony said:
What was the process with Porsche for relisting it? What kind of SOR fee do they charge? I really want to pick up our Taycan, but equally I can’t remember the last time I made a profit on a car….
Taycan Cross Turismos are currently for about £20k overs whilst the Taycan saloon is not. The car above is not on SOR and was bought back by the supplying OPC and asking £20k overs due to delays on new orders.To emphasis its the CT 4S which is most in demand and saloons will still depreciate as soon as it leaves the showroom.
mr_tony said:
What was the process with Porsche for relisting it? What kind of SOR fee do they charge? I really want to pick up our Taycan, but equally I can’t remember the last time I made a profit on a car….
They bought it back off me at over list. It's not SOR.We sold both a 4S saloon and CT back to the dealer at the same time. The 4S saloon sold the day it was advertised - for £5K over list at 6 months old and 2600 miles.
Mezzanine said:
21ATS said:
My car listed for sale today, List +£20K.
Wonder what they replaced in the end.I gave the dealer all the details of the "work" undertaken so they will have it in their workshop and given it a good look over. I thought that was a reasonable thing to do.
The OPC have been very straight with us in reality. All the problems we had were with insurers and Porsche Approved repairers.
What I genuinely didn't realise as a first time Porsche owner is the dealer network has absolutely zero to do with the approved repairers, they are entirely different entities and seem to operate exclusively of each other including what is deemed reasonable and required when it comes to repair.
Based on my dealer experience alone I found them honest and straightforward and I wouldn't be uncomfortable buying from them again. They simply don't sell anything I have any interest in. The Taycan CT was the first Porsche I genuinely wanted to buy.
We've not replaced them yet. My business partner took a 911 C4 GTS out for the weekend and absolutely loved it but they do nothing for me. I like front engined GT cars (not GT in Porsche terms).
The only vehicle I have any genuine interest in as a replacement for the CT is a Ferrari FF. Of course that can't be bought through the business and there isn't currently one for sale I like so I'll just keep my eye's peeled for the right one.
findtomdotcom said:
Great spec, that will sell fast. I think I might spec a GTS in that colour for our next one... It's a shame you didn't get to enjoy your car mate, I think you missed a treat there.
It’s a great colour. I’m also sorry he’s had a bad first experience, I’d have persevered though, because the driving rewards with a Porsche are worth some of the customer service/after sales issues.Just heading out in my CT up into the Dales. Hopefully before the motorhomes and caravans hit the roads.
BorkBorkBork said:
findtomdotcom said:
Great spec, that will sell fast. I think I might spec a GTS in that colour for our next one... It's a shame you didn't get to enjoy your car mate, I think you missed a treat there.
It’s a great colour. I’m also sorry he’s had a bad first experience, I’d have persevered though, because the driving rewards with a Porsche are worth some of the customer service/after sales issues.Just heading out in my CT up into the Dales. Hopefully before the motorhomes and caravans hit the roads.
I really didn't gel with the car even though I only drove it a short time. My business partner had the same feeling in his after 2600 miles and 5 months. When you then add in the dramas we had with both cars and the sheer amount of time they were off the road it was the easiest decision in the world to get rid of them once we realised we could get out with minimal financial penalty.
They just didn't work for us. My interest in any other Porsche product was minimal at best, having now experienced ownership, albeit for a very short period with two cars, I have no interest in owning anything from this brand again. My business partner would have a 911 tomorrow if they could actually sell him one, but they can't, so he'll buy something else.
So from an outsider looking in that's had a taste, Porsche looks very much like Rolex to me. A brand that has managed to create so much hype that the hype has reached a level that the product is now struggling to justify. Sure they're good, they just aren't THAT good.
Hats off to them for creating the hype though.
21ATS said:
Honestly, When the car was working and I had the choice of my SL or the Taycan, I prefered driving the SL.
I really didn't gel with the car even though I only drove it a short time. My business partner had the same feeling in his after 2600 miles and 5 months. When you then add in the dramas we had with both cars and the sheer amount of time they were off the road it was the easiest decision in the world to get rid of them once we realised we could get out with minimal financial penalty.
They just didn't work for us. My interest in any other Porsche product was minimal at best, having now experienced ownership, albeit for a very short period with two cars, I have no interest in owning anything from this brand again. My business partner would have a 911 tomorrow if they could actually sell him one, but they can't, so he'll buy something else.
So from an outsider looking in that's had a taste, Porsche looks very much like Rolex to me. A brand that has managed to create so much hype that the hype has reached a level that the product is now struggling to justify. Sure they're good, they just aren't THAT good.
Hats off to them for creating the hype though.
I’m a bit confused how one (extremely unusual) experience and limited mileage with a Taycan would put you off trying/owning any other Porsche, particularly something like a 911 or Cayman which are so different to the Taycan. Plus I think it has also been identified that it has been the Porsche approved repairers rather than the OPC where your issues lie? Have you had any comparable experience of Mercedes approved repairers?I really didn't gel with the car even though I only drove it a short time. My business partner had the same feeling in his after 2600 miles and 5 months. When you then add in the dramas we had with both cars and the sheer amount of time they were off the road it was the easiest decision in the world to get rid of them once we realised we could get out with minimal financial penalty.
They just didn't work for us. My interest in any other Porsche product was minimal at best, having now experienced ownership, albeit for a very short period with two cars, I have no interest in owning anything from this brand again. My business partner would have a 911 tomorrow if they could actually sell him one, but they can't, so he'll buy something else.
So from an outsider looking in that's had a taste, Porsche looks very much like Rolex to me. A brand that has managed to create so much hype that the hype has reached a level that the product is now struggling to justify. Sure they're good, they just aren't THAT good.
Hats off to them for creating the hype though.
Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience? I can obviously see that if you want a front-engined GT car then a Porsche won’t be on your agenda.
I think there’s plenty of evidence that Porsche generally do live up to the hype.
Edited by Sport_Turismo_GTS on Saturday 14th May 10:40
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
I’m a bit confused how one (extremely unusual) experience and limited mileage with a Taycan would put you off trying/owning any other Porsche, particularly something like a 911 or Cayman which are so different to the Taycan. Plus I think it has also been identified that it has been the Porsche approved repairers rather than the OPC where your issues lie? Have you had any comparable experience of Mercedes approved repairers?
Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience?
I'd never really been a Porsche guy. The Taycan was the first car they made I wanted to buy, so we bought two and you've read our experience with both and it's not been great. I don't like SUV/4x4's so that the biggest selling cars Porsche make out of contention.Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience?
Edited by Sport_Turismo_GTS on Saturday 14th May 10:20
I like front engined largish GT cars. The Panamera Sport Turismo appealed to me but the depreciation is unpalatable and it wasn't worth three times what my S6 Avant was with basically the same engine, power, comfort and performance.
The last car Porsche made that I really liked was the 928 - the car that was meant to be a replacement for the 911. Front engined V8 GT car.
911's and Caymans do nothing for me, neither do Mclarens, mid engied Ferraris or anything else track focused, I don't track cars or race them around the countryside.
V12 Ferraris do appeal to me, a great deal. The FF being unique as it's a V12 4 seat estate. Show me anything else like it?
Mercedes - Most of my cars have been Mercedes and I'd really had no issues over the 20 years I'd owned them. One repair experience which was done without issue in 10 days, by the approved bodyshop that was within the dealer group itself. I only latterly swapped to Audi as Mercedes refused to sell me any car I was interested in buying with anything other than a black interior and privacy glass. Plus Audi would custom paint an S6 for me for a sensible sum of money. So Audi it was, which in hindsight I simply should have kept. Audi now sell nothing I'm interested in since the S6 went diesel and lost 100hp.
Now there's really very little I'm interested in buying. I've been a petrolhead since I was a kid and the older I get the less interested I seem to be getting in these things, which is a surprise.
At £110,000 there is a whole list of cars I would buy before the Taycan, but none of these cars came with a capital writedown and 1% BIK running cost when bought through a business, so that pushed it into number one spot. Effectively I bought a Porsche because if it's tax status. Which if you ask the dealership or drive around your local industrial estate amounts to more than 90% of buyers.
I tried and it wasn't for me, that doesn't make the brand or the cars crap - it's just not for me, but at least I tried.
For the last 5 years I've been finding reasons not to buy an FF and get something more sensible instead. It's time I just bought one.
21ATS said:
I'd never really been a Porsche guy. The Taycan was the first car they made I wanted to buy, so we bought two and you've read our experience with both and it's not been great. I don't like SUV/4x4's so that the biggest selling cars Porsche make out of contention.
I like front engined largish GT cars. The Panamera Sport Turismo appealed to me but the depreciation is unpalatable and it wasn't worth three times what my S6 Avant was with basically the same engine, power, comfort and performance.
The last car Porsche made that I really liked was the 928 - the car that was meant to be a replacement for the 911. Front engined V8 GT car.
911's and Caymans do nothing for me, neither do Mclarens, mid engied Ferraris or anything else track focused, I don't track cars or race them around the countryside.
V12 Ferraris do appeal to me, a great deal. The FF being unique as it's a V12 4 seat estate. Show me anything else like it?
Mercedes - Most of my cars have been Mercedes and I'd really had no issues over the 20 years I'd owned them. One repair experience which was done without issue in 10 days, by the approved bodyshop that was withing the dealer group itself. I only latterly swapped to Audi as Mercedes refused to sell me any car I was interested in buying with anything other than a black interior and privacy glass. Plus Audi would custom paint an S6 for me for a sensible sum of money. So Audi it was, which in hindsight I simply should have kept. Audi now sell nothing I'm interested in since the S6 went diesel and lost 100hp.
Now there's really very little I'm interested in buying. I've been a petrolhead since I was a kid and the older I get the less interested I seem to be getting in these things, which is a surprise.
At £110,000 there is a whole list of cars I would buy before the Taycan, but none of these cars came with a capital writedown and 1% BIK running cost when bought through a business, so that pushed it into number one spot. Effectively I bought a Porsche because if it's tax status. Which if you ask the dealership or drive around your local industrial estate amounts to more than 90% of buyers.
I tried and it wasn't for me, that doesn't make the brand or the cars crap - it's just not for me, but at least I tried.
For the last 5 years I've been finding reasons not to buy an FF and get something more sensible instead. It's time I just bought one.
That makes sense, please let us know when you test drive / buy one!I like front engined largish GT cars. The Panamera Sport Turismo appealed to me but the depreciation is unpalatable and it wasn't worth three times what my S6 Avant was with basically the same engine, power, comfort and performance.
The last car Porsche made that I really liked was the 928 - the car that was meant to be a replacement for the 911. Front engined V8 GT car.
911's and Caymans do nothing for me, neither do Mclarens, mid engied Ferraris or anything else track focused, I don't track cars or race them around the countryside.
V12 Ferraris do appeal to me, a great deal. The FF being unique as it's a V12 4 seat estate. Show me anything else like it?
Mercedes - Most of my cars have been Mercedes and I'd really had no issues over the 20 years I'd owned them. One repair experience which was done without issue in 10 days, by the approved bodyshop that was withing the dealer group itself. I only latterly swapped to Audi as Mercedes refused to sell me any car I was interested in buying with anything other than a black interior and privacy glass. Plus Audi would custom paint an S6 for me for a sensible sum of money. So Audi it was, which in hindsight I simply should have kept. Audi now sell nothing I'm interested in since the S6 went diesel and lost 100hp.
Now there's really very little I'm interested in buying. I've been a petrolhead since I was a kid and the older I get the less interested I seem to be getting in these things, which is a surprise.
At £110,000 there is a whole list of cars I would buy before the Taycan, but none of these cars came with a capital writedown and 1% BIK running cost when bought through a business, so that pushed it into number one spot. Effectively I bought a Porsche because if it's tax status. Which if you ask the dealership or drive around your local industrial estate amounts to more than 90% of buyers.
I tried and it wasn't for me, that doesn't make the brand or the cars crap - it's just not for me, but at least I tried.
For the last 5 years I've been finding reasons not to buy an FF and get something more sensible instead. It's time I just bought one.
21ATS said:
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
I’m a bit confused how one (extremely unusual) experience and limited mileage with a Taycan would put you off trying/owning any other Porsche, particularly something like a 911 or Cayman which are so different to the Taycan. Plus I think it has also been identified that it has been the Porsche approved repairers rather than the OPC where your issues lie? Have you had any comparable experience of Mercedes approved repairers?
Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience?
I'd never really been a Porsche guy. The Taycan was the first car they made I wanted to buy, so we bought two and you've read our experience with both and it's not been great. I don't like SUV/4x4's so that the biggest selling cars Porsche make out of contention.Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience?
Edited by Sport_Turismo_GTS on Saturday 14th May 10:20
I like front engined largish GT cars. The Panamera Sport Turismo appealed to me but the depreciation is unpalatable and it wasn't worth three times what my S6 Avant was with basically the same engine, power, comfort and performance.
The last car Porsche made that I really liked was the 928 - the car that was meant to be a replacement for the 911. Front engined V8 GT car.
911's and Caymans do nothing for me, neither do Mclarens, mid engied Ferraris or anything else track focused, I don't track cars or race them around the countryside.
V12 Ferraris do appeal to me, a great deal. The FF being unique as it's a V12 4 seat estate. Show me anything else like it?
Mercedes - Most of my cars have been Mercedes and I'd really had no issues over the 20 years I'd owned them. One repair experience which was done without issue in 10 days, by the approved bodyshop that was within the dealer group itself. I only latterly swapped to Audi as Mercedes refused to sell me any car I was interested in buying with anything other than a black interior and privacy glass. Plus Audi would custom paint an S6 for me for a sensible sum of money. So Audi it was, which in hindsight I simply should have kept. Audi now sell nothing I'm interested in since the S6 went diesel and lost 100hp.
Now there's really very little I'm interested in buying. I've been a petrolhead since I was a kid and the older I get the less interested I seem to be getting in these things, which is a surprise.
At £110,000 there is a whole list of cars I would buy before the Taycan, but none of these cars came with a capital writedown and 1% BIK running cost when bought through a business, so that pushed it into number one spot. Effectively I bought a Porsche because if it's tax status. Which if you ask the dealership or drive around your local industrial estate amounts to more than 90% of buyers.
I tried and it wasn't for me, that doesn't make the brand or the cars crap - it's just not for me, but at least I tried.
For the last 5 years I've been finding reasons not to buy an FF and get something more sensible instead. It's time I just bought one.
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