Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

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Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

I’m a bit confused how one (extremely unusual) experience and limited mileage with a Taycan would put you off trying/owning any other Porsche, particularly something like a 911 or Cayman which are so different to the Taycan. Plus I think it has also been identified that it has been the Porsche approved repairers rather than the OPC where your issues lie? Have you had any comparable experience of Mercedes approved repairers?

Or have I misunderstood, and you’d had previous Porsche experience?

Edited by Sport_Turismo_GTS on Saturday 14th May 10:20

I'd never really been a Porsche guy. The Taycan was the first car they made I wanted to buy, so we bought two and you've read our experience with both and it's not been great. I don't like SUV/4x4's so that the biggest selling cars Porsche make out of contention.

I like front engined largish GT cars. The Panamera Sport Turismo appealed to me but the depreciation is unpalatable and it wasn't worth three times what my S6 Avant was with basically the same engine, power, comfort and performance.

The last car Porsche made that I really liked was the 928 - the car that was meant to be a replacement for the 911. Front engined V8 GT car.

911's and Caymans do nothing for me, neither do Mclarens, mid engied Ferraris or anything else track focused, I don't track cars or race them around the countryside.

V12 Ferraris do appeal to me, a great deal. The FF being unique as it's a V12 4 seat estate. Show me anything else like it?

Mercedes - Most of my cars have been Mercedes and I'd really had no issues over the 20 years I'd owned them. One repair experience which was done without issue in 10 days, by the approved bodyshop that was within the dealer group itself. I only latterly swapped to Audi as Mercedes refused to sell me any car I was interested in buying with anything other than a black interior and privacy glass. Plus Audi would custom paint an S6 for me for a sensible sum of money. So Audi it was, which in hindsight I simply should have kept. Audi now sell nothing I'm interested in since the S6 went diesel and lost 100hp.

Now there's really very little I'm interested in buying. I've been a petrolhead since I was a kid and the older I get the less interested I seem to be getting in these things, which is a surprise.

At £110,000 there is a whole list of cars I would buy before the Taycan, but none of these cars came with a capital writedown and 1% BIK running cost when bought through a business, so that pushed it into number one spot. Effectively I bought a Porsche because if it's tax status. Which if you ask the dealership or drive around your local industrial estate amounts to more than 90% of buyers.

I tried and it wasn't for me, that doesn't make the brand or the cars crap - it's just not for me, but at least I tried.

For the last 5 years I've been finding reasons not to buy an FF and get something more sensible instead. It's time I just bought one.

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A big dog and a Mrs with a wheelchair has always limited my choices.

Incredibly we can get wheelchair in the boot of an SL and still lower the roof. No other "sports" car we ever tried managed that.

So that was the weekend sports car. Our other car needs to be an estate or large hatchback at least. So you can see why the Cross Turismo looked like the perfect solution with all the tax breaks on top.

If BMW made an M5 touring I would have bought one. I did consider a B5 Alpina, but the wheels simply wouldn't have stood up to the roads around where I live. Plus it was £100k and shed value at an astonishing rate.

In fact if BMW made an interesting petrol engined 5 series touring I would have bought one. 550i or 540i, but they don't or certainly didn't when I was looking.

That's pretty my how I ended up in an S6 Avant. It was the last of it's kind and now that's dead. The E500 Merc no longer existed, BMW made no big petrol engined tourings for the UK, so it was either full fat AMG's or RS cars - or the S6.

Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 14th May 17:43

Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 14th May 17:43

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So to bring this thread full circle for me (as the OP) as unfortunately Taycan ownership just didn't pan out for us for a number of reasons. I needed to replace the Cross Turismo with something similar, 4 seats, estate like but not dull. So I bought this, the car I really wanted to start with, but the least tax friendly vehicle I could probably find. Obviously I bought this personally not through the business



We are still running a pair of Mazda MX-30 EV's through the business on a lease, they are just approaching a year old and each has about 7000 miles on it. They've been absolutely faultless and perfect city runabouts/dog cars/supermarket cars. So for us they work as they allow both of us to buy something silly as a second vehicle. My business partner is going with a 992 GTS at some point.

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AB said:

Lovely looking thing. Congratulations.

I have a 911 Turbo S as a personal fun car but still would not be without my Taycan. Just had delivery of my Taycan Turbo S Saloon 'confirmed' as being at the dealer mid-December. I remain cynical but hopeful.

I cannot fault the Taycan as a piece of engineering. Our problems all stemmed from accident repair and dealer service/backup facilities.

Fundamentally Porsche have been so successful with the Taycan in the UK mainly due to the unique tax situation, that it's selling more vehicles than it has facilites to deal with.

If you get a good one that has no problems or you don't have an accident, they are awesome things.

Where ownership falls down is back up facilities.

Example - Red dash warning "do not drive return to dealer" - Phone dealer - "we can get you in in 6 weeks if you don't need a loan car or three months if you do"

Three months repair time for any sort of accident. Not because parts are a problem, simply that at all 12 approved repairers in the UK only have one tech that is trained to repair Taycans, you go in a queue and wait for that tech, If he's off sick on holiday nothing is repaired until he's back.

We were unfortunate to suffer multiple return to dealer problems on one of our cars and three incidents/minor accidents between the two cars in the short ownership we had them. We owned one for 6 months and the second for 4. They were both off the road one for 4 months one for 3 months during that time simply sat waiting to be attended to for various reasons. So in a combined 10 months of ownership we got 3 months actual use.

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ds666 said:

Lovely- bet that sounds great

Yeah, that noise is quite incredible, like a 90's F1 car.

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Slippydiff said:

Stunning cars, and a pleasantly discrete hue you've chosen too. I assume it has a Ferrari Approved warranty ? If not, probably best you get on first name terms with Martin @ Parkes Performance for when the inevitable happens.

Yeah it came with a warranty, I've just had it inspected by Ferrari to renew it.

It's not been driven much over the last few years (200 miles last year, 280 the year before etc) so I expect some stuff to have a hiccup as I'll be doing 200 miles a week or so in it.

The oil cooler split 3 days after I got it, as it was booked in for a major service anyhow (as part of the cost of purchase) it wasn't a major issue. Car collectet, serviced and repaired and back in 10 days including the oil cooler coming from Italy. Zero cost so far.

I actually expect this to be a delicate supercar, Ferrari dealer said it probably won't be they are very reliable and respond much better to being used than being sat around.

Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 25th August 11:07

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Digga said:

FF is a lovely thing. The days of NA V12 engines are coming to an end. That car is never likely to have many modern equivalents.

Still very much in love with my own Taycan CT. I saw my first Sport Turismo on the road Monday and I think they look stunning. Much more sleek than the CT, although for me the CT is still the better compromise.

This was certainly a component of my choosing to buy one. What else is there like it other than a Lusso? We're also unlikely to ever see the likes again.

So I got one whilst I could.

It is intoxicating and addictive.

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Drl22 said:

Interesting to you’ve gone that way OP. I’ve just picked up my Taycan GTS this morning, I still own a Lusso but it will be going up for sale shortly, it makes zero sense as a daily with two young kids, although it was great fun. As much as I’ve enjoyed the car, the 2 door thing has become more hassle than it’s worth and the they throw food all over the back as well! The fuel bills are bonkers too, which for a daily to go to work and nursery also makes zero sense. Looking forward to getting to know the Taycan better and think it will make my other cars more exciting to drive at the weekend.

I don't have kids and my business pays for all my fuel, but I could see how both of those things would be a right nuisance in a V12 3 door car if they are on you.

I have a Mazda EV for daily shopping trolly runs but will still likely be doing 6k to 8k a year in the FF.

Our problems with the Taycan's was the amount of down time we had for a number of reasons. When it went wrong for us it went wrong in a big way and over a combined ownership period for two cars of 10 months they were on the road for 4 of them. We seem to be an exception rather then the rule though.

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theboss said:

rkwm1 said:

Discombobulate said:

Why?

+1

Because you'll pay most of it it back when you sell the car. Potentially at a higher rate.

This assumption is for people buying the car then moving it on at 24 or 36 months old.

The value of the initial tax write down makes a lot more sense if you're buying the car and running it indefinately. Which is what we intended to do and also what the tax benefit was designed for...i.e. and electric forklift which you buy and run until it's 20 years old.

As most people seem to be leasing these anyhow it's irrelevant.

But if you're buying to take advantage of the CT writedown, you need to take your ownership to 5+ years or it makes no sense.