Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

[ds666]

You just need the right passengers and the turbo is fine

What changes did you find with the brakes ? I’ve had the software update but still have a slight issue with the brakes
I’m with you on the Skittles

[Digga]

ds666 said:

You just need the right passengers and the turbo is fine

What changes did you find with the brakes ? I’ve had the software update but still have a slight issue with the brakes
I’m with you on the Skittles

I'm often driving with the dog in the boot.

That or off away somewhere with a lot of luggage. When I've had passengers and warned them as I reach an NSL, they still are too keen, except kids.

Brakes seem less prone to that thing where you end up having to brake really hard because the initial bite and progression is missing. Hard to pinpoint.

[ds666]

Digga said:

ds666 said:

You just need the right passengers and the turbo is fine

What changes did you find with the brakes ? I’ve had the software update but still have a slight issue with the brakes
I’m with you on the Skittles

I'm often driving with the dog in the boot.

That or off away somewhere with a lot of luggage. When I've had passengers and warned them as I reach an NSL, they still are too keen, except kids.

Brakes seem less prone to that thing where you end up having to brake really hard because the initial bite and progression is missing. Hard to pinpoint.

My issue is at low speed where you are coming to a stop and suddenly have to apply more pressure - doesn't happen all the time thou. Like there is a disconnect between the regen bit and the actual brakes.

[Flying machine]

ds666 said:

Digga said:

ds666 said:

You just need the right passengers and the turbo is fine

What changes did you find with the brakes ? I’ve had the software update but still have a slight issue with the brakes
I’m with you on the Skittles

I'm often driving with the dog in the boot.

That or off away somewhere with a lot of luggage. When I've had passengers and warned them as I reach an NSL, they still are too keen, except kids.

Brakes seem less prone to that thing where you end up having to brake really hard because the initial bite and progression is missing. Hard to pinpoint.

My issue is at low speed where you are coming to a stop and suddenly have to apply more pressure - doesn't happen all the time thou. Like there is a disconnect between the regen bit and the actual brakes.

I noticed the same with my brakes before the update, it seems to me that the pedal feel is firmer and more like a 'traditional' ICE experience - not entirely but it feels more mechanical to me.

[Digga]

Flying machine said:

ds666 said:

Digga said:

ds666 said:

You just need the right passengers and the turbo is fine

What changes did you find with the brakes ? I’ve had the software update but still have a slight issue with the brakes
I’m with you on the Skittles

I'm often driving with the dog in the boot.

That or off away somewhere with a lot of luggage. When I've had passengers and warned them as I reach an NSL, they still are too keen, except kids.

Brakes seem less prone to that thing where you end up having to brake really hard because the initial bite and progression is missing. Hard to pinpoint.

My issue is at low speed where you are coming to a stop and suddenly have to apply more pressure - doesn't happen all the time thou. Like there is a disconnect between the regen bit and the actual brakes.

I noticed the same with my brakes before the update, it seems to me that the pedal feel is firmer and more like a 'traditional' ICE experience - not entirely but it feels more mechanical to me.

Yes I had that too.

I also had the bit where you were approaching a roundabout or junction, slightly downhill and you came off the throttle and gently onto the brakes and... nothing. So you end up having to stand on them. You could ameliorate this somewhat by hitting the regen thumb switch as you lifted.

[ds666]

Maybe my new rear motor will sort things .

[Murph7355]

Digga said:

es I had that too.

I also had the bit where you were approaching a roundabout or junction, slightly downhill and you came off the throttle and gently onto the brakes and... nothing. So you end up having to stand on them. You could ameliorate this somewhat by hitting the regen thumb switch as you lifted.

Is that with regen off, in auto or on?

[Digga]

Murph7355 said:

Digga said:

es I had that too.

I also had the bit where you were approaching a roundabout or junction, slightly downhill and you came off the throttle and gently onto the brakes and... nothing. So you end up having to stand on them. You could ameliorate this somewhat by hitting the regen thumb switch as you lifted.

Is that with regen off, in auto or on?

Worse with it off, but even with it on.

It was as if the threshold/bite point for the mechanical brakes to engage was miscalibrated.

I did wonder if it was a function of comparing it to the other stuff I drive (a GT3 and a VW T6.1 van) having very firm, deliberate, if unrefined brakes, but my wife, who's used to EV's felt this was an issue on my car too.

[Blue62]

Digga said:

Worse with it off, but even with it on.

It was as if the threshold/bite point for the mechanical brakes to engage was miscalibrated.

I did wonder if it was a function of comparing it to the other stuff I drive (a GT3 and a VW T6.1 van) having very firm, deliberate, if unrefined brakes, but my wife, who's used to EV's felt this was an issue on my car too.

I have experienced a sudden loss of bite previously in my RS6 and more recently S63, but only on a handful of occasions and usually when pressing hard, most disconcerting. Good to know that the update has improved feel, my dealer can’t fit me in until Xmas!

[ds666]

Murph7355 said:

Digga said:

es I had that too.

I also had the bit where you were approaching a roundabout or junction, slightly downhill and you came off the throttle and gently onto the brakes and... nothing. So you end up having to stand on them. You could ameliorate this somewhat by hitting the regen thumb switch as you lifted.

Is that with regen off, in auto or on?

The first bit of braking is regen on the footbrake whether the lift-off regen is on or not . I'm sure the issue is the switch between regen and mechanical brakes .
However ,I was told that on some cars one brake caliper wasn't bled correctly in the factory and they've seen this on a few cars .

When hammering the brakes at the PEC they were awesome .

[Digga]

ds666 said:

The first bit of braking is regen on the footbrake whether the lift-off regen is on or not . I'm sure the issue is the switch between regen and mechanical brakes .
However ,I was told that on some cars one brake caliper wasn't bled correctly in the factory and they've seen this on a few cars .

When hammering the brakes at the PEC they were awesome .

Yes, there is plenty of bite there potentially, but as you say, the switching was sometimes vague.

Hoping this has cured it.

[pheonix478]

I only ever drive in sport in other words with regen on and have never experienced any brake weirdness. I hate coasting and auto. The only thing that took some getting used to was parking in the garage very close to the wall and just keeping a constant pedal and letting the autobrake do it's thing. It isn't a collision avoidance issue is it?

[Digga]

pheonix478 said:

I only ever drive in sport in other words with regen on and have never experienced any brake weirdness. I hate coasting and auto. The only thing that took some getting used to was parking in the garage very close to the wall and just keeping a constant pedal and letting the autobrake do it's thing. It isn't a collision avoidance issue is it?

My wife hates the coasting thing too.

All I can say is, once you allow your brain to adapt to it, it is the most relaxing means of transport. Full stop.

I guess you need the right sort of roads, but for my personal use the 'waft mode' is an absolute game changer.

[f1eng]

Blue62 said:

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about Frank . Never ceases to amaze me how some use a mixture of guesswork and something they casually picked up to lay bare their own prejudice. Of course battery tech will develop, as with ICE over the decades (fuel injection anyone) but to suggest a eureka moment is pure fantasy. I guess they’ll hold off until such time, meanwhile I will enjoy my 4S, charging from home from solar and putting the savings away in anticipation of the predicted seismic event.

I don’t think you read what I wrote bluesy - maybe you read it quickly and you assumed I had written the post I was replying to?

I think I know what I’m talking about better than the guy I was replying to.
I’m forever seeing people predicting batteries with half the weight or some other unlikely massive development. It has been happening for decades.
There will be continued development of course, his predicted breakthrough I don’t think so.

[ds666]

pheonix478 said:

I only ever drive in sport in other words with regen on and have never experienced any brake weirdness. I hate coasting and auto. The only thing that took some getting used to was parking in the garage very close to the wall and just keeping a constant pedal and letting the autobrake do it's thing. It isn't a collision avoidance issue is it?

Nope . I nearly always drive in Sport so it has regen and always starts in first . It is only ever have an issue just as you come to a stop and it doesn't happen all the time .

[pheonix478]

ds666 said:

Nope . I nearly always drive in Sport so it has regen and always starts in first . It is only ever have an issue just as you come to a stop and it doesn't happen all the time .

Does it make a difference if you're coming to a stop behind another car or with an open road in front of you, if so could it be the collision avoidance interfering? I would find inconsistent brakes very disconcerting I think.

[ds666]

The collision avoidance warning never comes on when the issue happens - it doesn't happen often , but i agree , an not having a consistent pedal feel is annoying .

Porsche found nothing amiss but i will ask them to check again - new rear motor being fitted next week . Got a Cayman for the week which should be interesting .

[Blue62]

f1eng said:

I don’t think you read what I wrote bluesy - maybe you read it quickly and you assumed I had written the post I was replying to?

I think I know what I’m talking about better than the guy I was replying to.
I’m forever seeing people predicting batteries with half the weight or some other unlikely massive development. It has been happening for decades.
There will be continued development of course, his predicted breakthrough I don’t think so.

I always make a point of reading your posts mate, I was being ironic sorry!

As someone who finally gave up on a new order and bent over for a nearly new 4S (I hope I don’t live to regret it), the brake issue intrigues me. On other forums owners are reporting that the uPgrade has had no noticeable effect, so is Digga imagining it, or is it related to other factors like ceramics or surface coated perhaps? I’m also a little alarmed at suggestions the car is difficult at parking speeds, I remember the video of a Taycan flying off a driveway and always wondered how much the car contributed to that accident.

[ds666]

For me the brakes are an occasional annoyance rather than a big issue .
Parking isn’t difficult and I can’t imagine the Taycan crash was anything other than someone hitting the wrong pedal . Happens all the time with old folks in automatics.

[Digga]

A mate is visiting with his daughter. Wife and I took them out for dinner to a great pub a few villages away which is a nice drive.

Mate I have known a long while, from when he and I both ran TVRs. He's worked with and driven most things TVR, Lotus and Land Rover. So he knows the deal, but was a little skeptical of EV.

First off, had recently borrowed one of the new Range Rovers and was very impressed with the ride refinement, but also how flat the Taycan corners at the same time.

He was utterly staggered by the 'performance' feel when pressing on on A and B roads. Felt it was very much a 'thin', a real Porsche. Overall, he said it had totally converted him to (good) EVs.

Brakes behaved impeccably.