Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
Discussion
fblm said:
that's awesome. Sorry for the thread digression but how? I listen to music a lot more hours per day than I drive so have never spent as much on a car as my HiFi.
Nowadays it is possible to get audibly transparent electronics inexpensively but good speakers with the ability to get loud enough for realistic peaks are very expensive.
Mind you there are people selling cables and stuff which are literally incapable of changing the sound (the laws of physics have not been repealed) for silly money so it is easy to waste a lot of money too.
f1eng said:
fblm said:
that's awesome. Sorry for the thread digression but how? I listen to music a lot more hours per day than I drive so have never spent as much on a car as my HiFi.
Nowadays it is possible to get audibly transparent electronics inexpensively but good speakers with the ability to get loud enough for realistic peaks are very expensive.
Mind you there are people selling cables and stuff which are literally incapable of changing the sound (the laws of physics have not been repealed) for silly money so it is easy to waste a lot of money too.
MDL111 said:
I am currently imagining a room with padded walls and and inch thick windowpanes devoid of any furniture apart from one chair in the middle with 2 speakers in front of it .... I am probably the only one
Nothing like that, actually 
that would sound awful.Mind you we are extremely tolerant of poor sound IME.
When I was working in France I lived in a hotel before I found a house and used a smallish pair of powered speakers with a portable music player which I got really used to and began to think money spent on my HiFi was not needed.
I set these speakers up next to my main system to check and it was laughably pitiful in comparison but my aural memory hadn't been able to tell it was as big as it really was.
Aural memory is only good for a few seconds so long term comparisons are worthless.
Anyway I now have conflicting advice on the internet about my sound system choice on my Taycan
I should not be surprised, I suppose.
Edited by f1eng on Monday 9th August 10:09
DMZ said:
I would spend the money on sound over those chassis bits tbh. It’s never going to be a sports car and it’s most definitely not going to make any interesting sounds. But then I don’t listen to news or traffic so a bad sound system irritates me over and above pretty much anything else in a non-sports car. I have never heard a good Bose in-car system in Porsches or anywhere else so wouldn’t expect a lot there.
I definitely think the rear steering is worthwhile even if only for manoeuvring, it is a huge car.I am far from sure the active anti-roll would be worthwhile for me and have so far not gone for it. The torque vectoring may well be worth it but I am hoping to get advice on that from one of the development drivers.
Digga said:
A decent set of speakers will set you back a few quid:
Look at Bowers & Wilkins.
I shouldn't really continue the diversion but however nice and fashionable this looks there is absolute zero chance of getting good sound reproduction in a room with all those hard reflective surfaces and the speaker location will cause boomy bass Look at Bowers & Wilkins.
findtomdotcom said:
I have heard the Bose system in the 4S and was deeply unimpressed.
Tom
Was the same with my Macan's Bose. Awful sound and value. Tom
Had a look at the woofer and it was a plastic box with a 6" cheap paper speaker with bass over EQ'd by the amp to make it sound err bassier. Binned it and put a proper 10" active sub in place of it in same space: https://www.audison.eu/products/apbx-10-as2/. Absolute night & day. System sounds OK now as mid/tops are OK. Shakes the windows - gangsta.
Cheib said:
Where do you get your car cleaned or do you do it yourself ? My Macan Turbo PP has diamond cut wheels are they are all absolutely fine three years and nearly 30k miles.
Used to have a Mk V GTi as a station car which had diamond cut wheels which had to be refurbed because they’d gone milky. I was told by the refurb place to keep away from hand car wash places as they use cleaning chemicals that ruin alloy wheels…as well as the paint !
I clean them myself only mate using only CarPro shampoo - never use any chemicals, especially the acidic ones. I even use Collinite wax on the Aston wheels and they had been ceramic coated a year ago. Milky in spots now. The Macan wheels were refurbed by Porsche dealer 3 years ago. Trying the new Dulux emulsion wheels next time!Used to have a Mk V GTi as a station car which had diamond cut wheels which had to be refurbed because they’d gone milky. I was told by the refurb place to keep away from hand car wash places as they use cleaning chemicals that ruin alloy wheels…as well as the paint !
f1eng said:
I definitely think the rear steering is worthwhile even if only for manoeuvring, it is a huge car.
I am far from sure the active anti-roll would be worthwhile for me and have so far not gone for it. The torque vectoring may well be worth it but I am hoping to get advice on that from one of the development drivers.
I'm sure many people love the flexibility, but I find Porsche's approach a tad annoying if I'm honest. If the car needs rear steering to make it more manoeuvrable... then fit it! If the car needs torque vectoring to make it handle like a Porsche should... fit it! It's not like mere mortals get to compare cars with and without these things in proper environments so how do you know what to pick? Porsche are the chassis experts so... give me a car that works like a Porsche should, not my ham fisted based on some mumbo jumbo on the configurator approach. I am far from sure the active anti-roll would be worthwhile for me and have so far not gone for it. The torque vectoring may well be worth it but I am hoping to get advice on that from one of the development drivers.
DMZ said:
I'm sure many people love the flexibility, but I find Porsche's approach a tad annoying if I'm honest. If the car needs rear steering to make it more manoeuvrable... then fit it! If the car needs torque vectoring to make it handle like a Porsche should... fit it! It's not like mere mortals get to compare cars with and without these things in proper environments so how do you know what to pick? Porsche are the chassis experts so... give me a car that works like a Porsche should, not my ham fisted based on some mumbo jumbo on the configurator approach.
I do sympathise with your point of view but the 4S is particularly competitive on price compared to the Turbo and I suspect 95% of the customers have never been anywhere near a handling limit so letting people save a bit for something Mark Webber thinks is great but they wouldn't miss is fine.I am probably being a bit daft thinking I would tell the difference...
21ATS said:
I think you only get Sport Plus with the Chrono pack - otherwise it's not selectable - do check though.
On mine without sport chrono you can select Sport Plus on the chassis settings. Sport Chrono might add Sport+ in the throttle response mode but totally irrelevant in an electric car. Either way its not an expensive option at less than £800 so tick it if you're unsure.I would have rear steering if it didn't come with PSP. PSP is the one option I would 100% advise against. Most the others are personal taste, but PSP makes the steering so overly light it impacts on how the whole car feels. Not to mention the tiny jitters as it swaps from low speed to off at higher speed. It was so bad on the demo car I drove I thought the steering was broken!
Tom
Tom
Taffy66 said:
On mine without sport chrono you can select Sport Plus on the chassis settings. Sport Chrono might add Sport+ in the throttle response mode but totally irrelevant in an electric car. Either way its not an expensive option at less than £800 so tick it if you're unsure.
Its the custom mode I want. Hate having snatchy non-linear throttle and would love a mode that does exactly what I want it to - yes even switching the ICE car off at traffic lights in gung-ho mode! Do you get your own custom mode without Sport Chrono?I also totally agree with the crap configurator - some of the things they sell don't even have images and the text leaves you with more questions than answers.
Getting a weekend long CT4S demo in 2 weeks - everyone seems to say active anti roll bars are for track etc, but a decoupled ARB in straight ahead comfort mode improves ride and if it utterly kills roll in a corner I might well adore that best of both worlds tech! Active ARB in a DBX was sublime. Def having RWS - was awesome on a Huracan Evo for manoeuvring and its good physics to make the rear wheels go with you rather than be dragged around! PTV adds an LSD as well as nibbling inner rear wheel in a corner I think - again Porsche unclear but LSD's are good!
I want a 5 meter dodgem!!!
f1eng said:
fblm said:
that's awesome. Sorry for the thread digression but how? I listen to music a lot more hours per day than I drive so have never spent as much on a car as my HiFi.
Nowadays it is possible to get audibly transparent electronics inexpensively but good speakers with the ability to get loud enough for realistic peaks are very expensive.
Mind you there are people selling cables and stuff which are literally incapable of changing the sound (the laws of physics have not been repealed) for silly money so it is easy to waste a lot of money too.
Back on topic, I haven't driven a non-RWS Taycan but I'm still surprising myself with the turning circle of this car and the slightly uncanny way the back seems to swing round in tight spaces, even if it's only very small it lets me swing into my garage in between other cars in a way I probably wouldn't in anything else without multiple moves. It's a big car and in the UK's tight spots I'd think RWS was essential.
Ken Figenus said:
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PTV adds an LSD as well as nibbling inner rear wheel in a corner I think - again Porsche unclear but LSD's are good!
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Correct. PTV+ gives the 4S the LSD out the Turbo and S. Whilst a grand for a proper LSD must be one of the best deals on the Porsche part list I really didn't see the need for it and don't miss it. Likewise the PDCC, the 4S corners freakishly flat without, not sure what it adds. You're right the configurator description of options is particularly crap; I can't help but wonder if this isn't to get you into the OPC so the sales guy can have a crack at getting you to spend another 20 grand on crap you don't need...PTV adds an LSD as well as nibbling inner rear wheel in a corner I think - again Porsche unclear but LSD's are good!
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I ticked all the drivetrain and chassis boxes. I think RAS is a must on a car this size at low speed and it’ll only help when cornering at speed. Went with PTV and PDCC too. I want the best driving experience possible, so I decided against more comfort in favour of hopefully a more dynamic driving experience. We’ll see.
My 4S has none of the performance chassis options and i don't feel it needs them. The limiting factor in the Taycan's dynamics is simply physics, basically the sheer mass. The good thing is that this mass is located between the wheelbase and at the lowest point in the car. No amount of options can cheat this, however I did pick RWS on my forthcoming CT 4S more out of sheer curiosity than anything else.
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