Taycan - how did they make it so slow?

[Evanivitch]

sxmwht said:

I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....

5.1 seconds.

Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)

Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?

Taycan speed does have a few variables in addition to the Golf R. Battery charge state and battery temperature being two of them. The Tesla's of this world will allow you to force the system into an optimum state, but I don't believe Porsche do. Just one of the many nuances of performance electric cars.

[ds666]

Evanivitch said:

sxmwht said:

I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....

5.1 seconds.

Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)

Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?

Taycan speed does have a few variables in addition to the Golf R. Battery charge state and battery temperature being two of them. The Tesla's of this world will allow you to force the system into an optimum state, but I don't believe Porsche do. Just one of the many nuances of performance electric cars.

The Taycan's performance doesn't drop off like the Teslas do I understand .

[anonymous-user]

Evanivitch said:

Taycan speed does have a few variables in addition to the Golf R. Battery charge state...

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

[Evanivitch]

ds666 said:

Evanivitch said:

sxmwht said:

I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....

5.1 seconds.

Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)

Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?

Taycan speed does have a few variables in addition to the Golf R. Battery charge state and battery temperature being two of them. The Tesla's of this world will allow you to force the system into an optimum state, but I don't believe Porsche do. Just one of the many nuances of performance electric cars.

The Taycan's performance doesn't drop off like the Teslas do I understand .

That's because the Tesla has to be in the sweet-spot for peak performance, and once temperatures and charge are outside that from repeated launches it starts to fall away.

Porsche don't pin their performance to such a corner case, but there are still minor variations in performance based on the above variables, but far less noticeable than Tesla.

[Evanivitch]

fblm said:

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

[ds666]

Evanivitch said:

fblm said:

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

You have a Tesla ?

[anonymous-user]

Evanivitch said:

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

If 90% is all it will ever give then that is it's 100% no?

[ds666]

Evanivitch said:

fblm said:

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

I don't think there is any vagueness in fblm's comment - the Tesla's performance is not consistent , end of.

[Evanivitch]

fblm said:

If 90% is all it will ever give then that is it's 100% no?

Yes, it's giving it 100% of what the user is allowed from it. It's just that the engineering could allow it to go faster again if it made a point of optimising everything for a 0-60 like the Tesla does. But Porsche have made a point of the Taycan 'peak' performance not just being after 15 mins battery preparation and then a cool down period.

[Evanivitch]

ds666 said:

Evanivitch said:

fblm said:

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

You have a Tesla ?

Click. Click. Click. No.

[ds666]

Evanivitch said:

ds666 said:

Evanivitch said:

fblm said:

I thought, unlike Tesla, the Taycan always gives 100% irrespective of charge. Temps obv different variable; is hot or cold better? Can't say I've ever noticed any difference in power where I live but ambient temp never drops below mid 70's.

I'd say it's more equivalent to saying the Taycan always gives 90%, whilst the Tesla gives 110% down to 80% as it does repeated launches, if we're being vague...

You have a Tesla ?

Click. Click. Click. No.

But you want one , don’t you . Admit it 😂

[thebraketester]

Haribo Lecter said:

Very simple - weight.

Ideal track car though.

[Evanivitch]

ds666 said:

But you want one , don’t you . Admit it ??

Why? If you think I'm singing the praises of Tesla, you're very wrong. Both Tesla and Porsche have made entirely valid design decisions, it's just a different approach to what they consider valid 0-60 performance.

[NMNeil]

CloudStuff said:

Define 'slow'.

You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.

All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.

But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.

Won't be an issue early next year. They will only be able to go as fast as any other new car.

[ds666]

Evanivitch said:

ds666 said:

But you want one , don’t you . Admit it ??

Why? If you think I'm singing the praises of Tesla, you're very wrong. Both Tesla and Porsche have made entirely valid design decisions, it's just a different approach to what they consider valid 0-60 performance.

Tesla don’t do 0-60 , they start rolling then accelerate . No one else does.

[anonymous-user]

NMNeil said:

Won't be an issue early next year. They will only be able to go as fast as any other new car.

If you're referring to the 2022 mandatory speed limit nonsense; you might want to re-read the legislation (or lack thereof).

[anonymous-user]

ds666 said:

Tesla don’t do 0-60 , they start rolling then accelerate . No one else does.

To be fair that's a stupid US thing not just Tesla. The US car mags do the same.

[ds666]

fblm said:

ds666 said:

Tesla don’t do 0-60 , they start rolling then accelerate . No one else does.

To be fair that's a stupid US thing not just Tesla. The US car mags do the same.

Every day’s a school day 👍🏻

[DMZ]

If we’re going to be picky, doesn’t Porsche also quote bhp that is only available for a few sec as their headline numbers? So you’re getting 100% for a short burst and then 90% or whatever. Which means impressive 0-60 numbers if I’m not mistaken which you could argue are artificial, if such things matter. To me it seems both Tesla and Porsche are playing games?

I’m mostly surprised that Porsche isn’t back at the Nurburgring trying to beat Tesla’s time. That’s surely where you really find out who’s the EV boss. If Porsche is so amazing at power delivery and handling, let’s see it. I can’t think of a better stage to showcase it. This is where all performance parameters of a car will be tested.

[findtomdotcom]

Not sure the batteries would last a lap... Well maybe two.