Discussion
bigbadandy76 said:
Considering one of these when I change my car later this year, anybody out there with some real world range figures rather than the 'fantasy-land' WLTP figure?
Also which is the best model - looking at either the base model or the 4S, both in Sport Turismo bodystyle.
‘Best model’ in what context? What are your priorities?Also which is the best model - looking at either the base model or the 4S, both in Sport Turismo bodystyle.
If range is your focus then I expect Taycan 4 with PB+ might be the choice?
Edited by Sport_Turismo_GTS on Sunday 19th February 13:30
My first RWD was ok - best I had was 265 over a few days last summer when temperatures were over 30C.
Then I bought a new 4S ST with the performance plus battery. Utterly woeful over the winter month and never saw over 200 - in fact often sub 175. Sold it. Won’t buy another.
The sad thing is I absolutely loved my first one - obviously given that I went for a new one.
Then I bought a new 4S ST with the performance plus battery. Utterly woeful over the winter month and never saw over 200 - in fact often sub 175. Sold it. Won’t buy another.
The sad thing is I absolutely loved my first one - obviously given that I went for a new one.
W12GT said:
My first RWD was ok - best I had was 265 over a few days last summer when temperatures were over 30C.
Then I bought a new 4S ST with the performance plus battery. Utterly woeful over the winter month and never saw over 200 - in fact often sub 175. Sold it. Won’t buy another.
The sad thing is I absolutely loved my first one - obviously given that I went for a new one.
The whole range thing is a bit sad on what should be a working vehicle.Then I bought a new 4S ST with the performance plus battery. Utterly woeful over the winter month and never saw over 200 - in fact often sub 175. Sold it. Won’t buy another.
The sad thing is I absolutely loved my first one - obviously given that I went for a new one.
Yesterday I did 220 mile round trip. Started at 05.30 in -1° had a rural site visit then moved onto a meeting at venue with no charge facilities. Left for home and well earned at 16.30 with ETA of 18.30 for dinner, (achieved).
Cayenne diesel S didn’t start with full tank and did that comfortably and would do same again today without needing a fill up totally hassle free.
I’d love a Taycan 4S ST as a replacement for KN but it clearly won’t do the work anywhere near as well so for me an irrelevant vehicle, sadly.
My experience of a CT Turbo over the last year is that the range was up to a reliable 250 miles. It would probably do more, but I wouldn't push it, and those figures are best case scenario, summer, and a mostly motorway journey. In September the range was showing 245 miles. Then it went into Porsche for a software update and immediately dropped to 220 miles, which has never been increased. So don't bother with the update is my advice as I couldn't see any other benefits to it. Winter, the range is around 195-200 indicated miles and this seems about right for my use pattern (mostly long distance motorways). This was all fine when I typically travelled less than 200 miles in any one occasion, but I've now moved house and will do a round trip of around 350 miles several times a month. I'm still using the Taycan, but it has become a real nuisance doing so and being reliant on public charging even though I will admit I now have the wrong car for the job I'm expecting it to do. I've only kept it because of the tax advantages although I'm starting to question this decision just to preserve my sanity!.
Ionity is good, and certainly cheaper than other 'fast' chargers, but it seems that lots of manufacturers are giving away cards that allow access to cheaper charging on the Ionity network. The result is, unsurprisingly, that the Ionity chargers are often busier and you may have to wait for a vacant charger. The cost of electricity on most other fast chargers seems expensive and although I've not done any proper calculations, if reliant on public charging it wouldn't surprise me if it costs the same as using my diesel Discovery 4, which is a bit daft really. This is before all the hassle and general annoyance of public charging. If you can charge cheaply at home and expect to use public charging very infrequently then the Taycan is a great choice IMO, although it is massive. If this doesn't sound like the way you will use it (and any EV to be fair) then prepare to be inconvenienced to make allowances, at least until the public charging infrastructure develops (if it ever does).
Ionity is good, and certainly cheaper than other 'fast' chargers, but it seems that lots of manufacturers are giving away cards that allow access to cheaper charging on the Ionity network. The result is, unsurprisingly, that the Ionity chargers are often busier and you may have to wait for a vacant charger. The cost of electricity on most other fast chargers seems expensive and although I've not done any proper calculations, if reliant on public charging it wouldn't surprise me if it costs the same as using my diesel Discovery 4, which is a bit daft really. This is before all the hassle and general annoyance of public charging. If you can charge cheaply at home and expect to use public charging very infrequently then the Taycan is a great choice IMO, although it is massive. If this doesn't sound like the way you will use it (and any EV to be fair) then prepare to be inconvenienced to make allowances, at least until the public charging infrastructure develops (if it ever does).
CT Turbo , 15000 miles in the last year . Max range about 230 miles , but to be safe with that you have to drive like a nun.
For example , I travelled from Worcs to Gatwick last week . 310 miles round trip . Stopped at Banbury to top up on the way down . Got to Gatwick with 160 ,miles left ( driving at 60mph ) . Planned to stop at Banbury to ensure I'd get home . Slip road at Banbury on the M40 shut so had to find somewhere before . Left a43 , just off m40 with 120 miles range , 70 to home . Chance to drive at normal speeds . Then J3-J2 shut on the M42 , so had a big diversion . Got home with 30 miles range .
Most powerful car I've ever had , but can't use it unless you do around 140miles round trip .
95% of the time range is absolutely fine but 300 miles at decent speed would be so much better .
Still love it mind.
For example , I travelled from Worcs to Gatwick last week . 310 miles round trip . Stopped at Banbury to top up on the way down . Got to Gatwick with 160 ,miles left ( driving at 60mph ) . Planned to stop at Banbury to ensure I'd get home . Slip road at Banbury on the M40 shut so had to find somewhere before . Left a43 , just off m40 with 120 miles range , 70 to home . Chance to drive at normal speeds . Then J3-J2 shut on the M42 , so had a big diversion . Got home with 30 miles range .
Most powerful car I've ever had , but can't use it unless you do around 140miles round trip .
95% of the time range is absolutely fine but 300 miles at decent speed would be so much better .
Still love it mind.
Been thinking about this again. 340 mile round trip tomorrow. 9.00 meeting start. Parking at the hotel not great, no EV charge option shown with public car park option 3 mins walk away. If I used public option and it had charging I’d have to leave the car plugged in for 4hrs until lunch break which wouldn’t be popular. So plug in somewhere on the way home and add perhaps an hour to journey time, undesirable.
Plan b drive 40 miles to catch a train, not a great use of my expensive tax efficient company car.
I get the desire for zero tail pipe emissions in towns which is where cheap basic EV boxes work. Outside of that EVs seem a huge retrograde step.
Plan b drive 40 miles to catch a train, not a great use of my expensive tax efficient company car.
I get the desire for zero tail pipe emissions in towns which is where cheap basic EV boxes work. Outside of that EVs seem a huge retrograde step.
A reliable 300 mile range is what I need to contemplate an EV as a daily...I've had loan Taycan's, they're great cars but had a proper dose of range anxiety/charging nightmare on one occasion. If they were genuinely the right choice for the environment I think I'd swallow the charging issues but as things stand they just aren't.
Flying machine said:
My experience of a CT Turbo over the last year is that the range was up to a reliable 250 miles. It would probably do more, but I wouldn't push it, and those figures are best case scenario, summer, and a mostly motorway journey. In September the range was showing 245 miles. Then it went into Porsche for a software update and immediately dropped to 220 miles, which has never been increased. So don't bother with the update is my advice as I couldn't see any other benefits to it. Winter, the range is around 195-200 indicated miles and this seems about right for my use pattern (mostly long distance motorways). This was all fine when I typically travelled less than 200 miles in any one occasion, but I've now moved house and will do a round trip of around 350 miles several times a month. I'm still using the Taycan, but it has become a real nuisance doing so and being reliant on public charging even though I will admit I now have the wrong car for the job I'm expecting it to do. I've only kept it because of the tax advantages although I'm starting to question this decision just to preserve my sanity!.
Ionity is good, and certainly cheaper than other 'fast' chargers, but it seems that lots of manufacturers are giving away cards that allow access to cheaper charging on the Ionity network. The result is, unsurprisingly, that the Ionity chargers are often busier and you may have to wait for a vacant charger. The cost of electricity on most other fast chargers seems expensive and although I've not done any proper calculations, if reliant on public charging it wouldn't surprise me if it costs the same as using my diesel Discovery 4, which is a bit daft really. This is before all the hassle and general annoyance of public charging. If you can charge cheaply at home and expect to use public charging very infrequently then the Taycan is a great choice IMO, although it is massive. If this doesn't sound like the way you will use it (and any EV to be fair) then prepare to be inconvenienced to make allowances, at least until the public charging infrastructure develops (if it ever does).
I’m with you 100% on this!Ionity is good, and certainly cheaper than other 'fast' chargers, but it seems that lots of manufacturers are giving away cards that allow access to cheaper charging on the Ionity network. The result is, unsurprisingly, that the Ionity chargers are often busier and you may have to wait for a vacant charger. The cost of electricity on most other fast chargers seems expensive and although I've not done any proper calculations, if reliant on public charging it wouldn't surprise me if it costs the same as using my diesel Discovery 4, which is a bit daft really. This is before all the hassle and general annoyance of public charging. If you can charge cheaply at home and expect to use public charging very infrequently then the Taycan is a great choice IMO, although it is massive. If this doesn't sound like the way you will use it (and any EV to be fair) then prepare to be inconvenienced to make allowances, at least until the public charging infrastructure develops (if it ever does).
The ranges being quoted I assume are for a 100% charge or close to it. Given the batteries shouldn't be charged to full every time then surely to true range is some 20% (at least) less if correct charging of the battery is followed?
I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
I find that with my Taycan, the range quoted by the car is very reflective of what is actually achieved. Other EVs with seemingly much better official ranges don’t get as close to achieving it. In comparison I’ve had an e-tron SUV and it was incredibly ‘thirsty’ compared to the Taycan.
If I was regularly needing to use the current charging structure then I’m sure I’d get frustrated pretty quickly. I think bank holiday weekends in an EV are a strict no no!!!
There are people who are very savvy with the Apps (WattsUp etc) that have a much better experience than those who travel with an expectation that every ionity will be free.
In terms of battery life, there are reports now of people covering hundreds of thousands of miles with very little degradation and so there is hope that these can be kept in the long term. I was going to change mine for another, but now that used values are normalising I’m planning to run it into the ground and buy something else instead as a family car. I keep a 3 car garage to cover the bases. If I had a single car to do it all, then it wouldn’t be an EV.
If I was regularly needing to use the current charging structure then I’m sure I’d get frustrated pretty quickly. I think bank holiday weekends in an EV are a strict no no!!!
There are people who are very savvy with the Apps (WattsUp etc) that have a much better experience than those who travel with an expectation that every ionity will be free.
In terms of battery life, there are reports now of people covering hundreds of thousands of miles with very little degradation and so there is hope that these can be kept in the long term. I was going to change mine for another, but now that used values are normalising I’m planning to run it into the ground and buy something else instead as a family car. I keep a 3 car garage to cover the bases. If I had a single car to do it all, then it wouldn’t be an EV.
ras62 said:
The ranges being quoted I assume are for a 100% charge or close to it. Given the batteries shouldn't be charged to full every time then surely to true range is some 20% (at least) less if correct charging of the battery is followed?
I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
Not an issue for most - in the same way ICE owners don’t need to start every morning with a full tank.I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
1. Battery has a built in buffer so can never get to true 100%
2. I only charge to 100% when I need full range (which is almost never - I rarely do more than 80 miles a day). I normally set overnight charge to 80-90% which typically gives me around 200 mile range every morning. But then I have home charging - as do most Taycan owners I expect. Only used a public charger 3 times in 20k miles.
ras62 said:
The ranges being quoted I assume are for a 100% charge or close to it. Given the batteries shouldn't be charged to full every time then surely to true range is some 20% (at least) less if correct charging of the battery is followed?
I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
I think the 80% rule only applies to fast charging, I regularly charge to 100% at home. Since the update I’m getting @220 miles out of my 4S, expecting that to increase to 250+ in the warmer weather. I’ve used public chargers a few times without too much hassle, you have to plan ahead and I actually like the fact that it forces me to take a break, but I understand it’s not perfect. I know many new owners don't worry about longevity of battery life but this unknown must have an effect on used values down the line.
On holidays or really long trips I take my petrol car, but maybe when or if the Tesla network opens up I’ll change my habits because in pretty much every other respect the Taycan is a great car.
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