2023 rallying thread (WRC, ERC, national and historics)

2023 rallying thread (WRC, ERC, national and historics)

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Drumroll

3,942 posts

126 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Well, that's another Mull Rally done Not sure about the new format. Just didn't seem to have the atmosphere of previous years. Tob. seemed very quiet compared to other years.

I did call at Susan Cameron's memorial, it doesn't seem like 20 years ago., that we lost her. Somewhere in my head it will always be just yesterday.

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Echo your thoughts

Leaving tomorrow and will update later.

Maxdecel

1,476 posts

39 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Drumroll said:
MacCrone left service car appeared OK but has now come back to retire
No wonder

GravelBen

15,859 posts

236 months

Sunday 15th October 2023
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Good day out at a local club rally last weekend, always impressed by how committed some of these guys drive on a blind rally (no pace notes).

Just uploaded photo gallery here: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAYsxx

A few highlights...

_DSC6074 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC6172 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC6327 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC6715 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC6612 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC6862 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC7017 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC7142 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC7257 by Ben, on Flickr

_DSC7298 by Ben, on Flickr

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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Lovely shots as ever smile

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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It's not a rally car......

But I do like the way John Lindsay does the light trails smile
https://www.lindsayphotosport.co.uk


fttm

3,832 posts

141 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Top ten for this weekends Carlisle Stages looks mighty exciting , hope Meeke has in-car camera .

Drumroll

3,942 posts

126 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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fttm said:
Top ten for this weekends Carlisle Stages looks mighty exciting , hope Meeke has in-car camera .
I think a few crews are using this weekend as a bit of a shakedown for the RAC.
I am told the stages are not in to bad a condition. But we have got a forecast of bad weather for the next few days.

Drumroll

3,942 posts

126 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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Friday nights stages cancelled due to fallen trees etc. Hoping to run all tomorrow's stages on the Carlisle rally. Personally I am not to sure.

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Hope it went well in Kielder.

Bovington was sunny (mostly) for the Challenger Stages - a good day.

thepawbroon

1,183 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Ranger 6 said:
Echo your thoughts

Leaving tomorrow and will update later.
I was hoping you'd elaborate on your Mull thoughts.....

Drumroll

3,942 posts

126 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Ranger 6 said:
Hope it went well in Kielder.

Bovington was sunny (mostly) for the Challenger Stages - a good day.
Considering the weather the area had leading up to the event it didn't cut up to badly.

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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thepawbroon said:
I was hoping you'd elaborate on your Mull thoughts.....
I have a real mental clash about the Tour of Mull/Mull Rally. I love the event, its heritage, history and the place. However, I'm a firm believer in the approach that just because that's the way we've always done it, doesn't mean it's the right way. There's been changes of people and teams. You've been part of it, so I don't need to go over old ground.

I value the way the organisers have a constant desire to improve, and this is where the clash comes in, this year, I didn't think the new format worked. Friday felt 'weak', for want of a better word. Three stages and back for a beer just after dark just didn't feel like a challenge for the competitors.

Saturday was a challenge, but realistically, more for the stage teams on the ground. They were in place for Leg 2, in good time as you'd expect. However, because of the format they needed to stay out during the break to change stage direction, so the marshals didn't get a break and had to stay out into leg 2. Folks staying in our digs that were running a stage left just after 6 and didn't get back until 2am. We took them food on our second run through.

I can't speak from a competitors perspective, but for me, running the stages in daylight made it feel like any other closed road event and took away the challenge of Mull, the extended runs in darkness etc. A few years ago, there was a conversation with the CoC at the time which focused on keeping the challenge, but retaining an eye on the welfare of the stage teams. That actually worked very well and we had a couple of years of routes/timings that really worked.

One day we can chat over a hot beverage (or even a cold one!) about the other sort of things that shouldn't be discussed on an open forum smile

thepawbroon

1,183 posts

190 months

Tuesday 24th October 2023
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Ranger 6 said:
One day we can chat over a hot beverage (or even a cold one!) about the other sort of things that shouldn't be discussed on an open forum smile
For sure!

There are a lot of people emotionally invested in the Mull Rally, so any change (even for the better) becomes difficult for someone. What I observe is an increasing distance between the org team and the wider island community, so I've made some recommendations as how to bridge that.

Ranger 6

7,152 posts

255 months

Tuesday 24th October 2023
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Thanks - and agreed. What I didn't mention was the lack of spectators in many places, which would back up your thoughts on distance.

I'd be interested to see those suggestions, if it's a group I'm part of.

Drumroll

3,942 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th October 2023
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Ranger 6 said:
Thanks - and agreed. What I didn't mention was the lack of spectators in many places, which would back up your thoughts on distance.

I'd be interested to see those suggestions, if it's a group I'm part of.
I agree there didn't seem to be as many spectators, but there could be several issues this year The cost of living, for one. The "will they, won't they" sailings we have had this year, that seem worse this year than others. The lack of information both for spectators and residents. I thought the residents pack was rather poor to be honest.

ArnageWRC

2,151 posts

165 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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WRC - Central European Rally - 3 days in 3 different countries. Czech Rep, Austria & Germany......

All tarmac, but different types of roads. You Tube channel GH Rallyemotion has recced the stages, and they look good.

Kalle can wrap the title up this weekend.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,640 posts

229 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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having a rally that visits 3 different countries is not in fact a new thing... rolleyes

flatlandsman

764 posts

13 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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Why n earth was Deutschland dropped, always seemed heaving maybe greenists stopped it?

ArnageWRC

2,151 posts

165 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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From memory, it was the usual reason events got dropped......££££££
The 2020 event was cancelled due to Covid-19 which affected the viability going forward. A not dissimilar situation to Rally of GB.....