2024 WRC and ERC discussion
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WRC round 2, The International Swedish Rally......
Four stages in, and both Rovanpera & Tanak out; Evans had a spin, and Taksuta leads......
and now Neuville's car wouldn't start, meaning he's late......
https://dirtfish.com/live-center/rally-sweden-2024...
Four stages in, and both Rovanpera & Tanak out; Evans had a spin, and Taksuta leads......
and now Neuville's car wouldn't start, meaning he's late......
https://dirtfish.com/live-center/rally-sweden-2024...
Edited by ArnageWRC on Friday 16th February 14:33
520TORQUES said:
Taka binned it, pity as he was doing well.
Neuville playing silly games probably cost Evans the win here, currently stuck in 3rd place at the end of day 2, which is where the a major part of the points are in these new regulations.
3 stages left tomorrow.
Nah Evans was way off the pace, he only changed one place on the road so definitely not the difference between where he is now and a win.Neuville playing silly games probably cost Evans the win here, currently stuck in 3rd place at the end of day 2, which is where the a major part of the points are in these new regulations.
3 stages left tomorrow.
Beethree said:
Nah Evans was way off the pace, he only changed one place on the road so definitely not the difference between where he is now and a win.
First on the road made a huge difference yesterday afternoon, he was acting as a plough, he lost over 1 minute from that single position switch.fttm canada said:
Whether Neuville was playing silly buggers who knows , smart move though and the regs allowed it so you can't blame him . Lighter note .nice to see "The Mayor of Brattby " had the stage named in his honour .
I certainly think he was playing games. He got a 40s penalty and probably saved over 1 minute and cost his rival points in the process. If you were disregarding the sportmanship it's a game worth playing. You could see payback later in the year though.He said he had fuel pressure issues, try switching the fuel pump on then.
ArnageWRC said:
Lappi wins and gets 19 points, Evans gets 2nd and gets 24.........
If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
I agree, I'm not a fan of this system - but Lappi had it within his power to take all 30 points - he decided to slow down to preserve the event win, possibly to help his team mate, but there's no way he was flat out after Taka-san went off. So in this case, the points system failings are skewed by having a non-regular driver being so competitive. If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
It's the same as the last few years, where a driver in 5th/6th is better off cruising the early Sunday stages in order to have good tyres for the Power Stage and the best chance of 5 extra points.
I've no idea how the WRC promotor can quantify the media benefits of any points system, but at least there's a wee bit added interest on Sunday.
ArnageWRC said:
Lappi wins and gets 19 points, Evans gets 2nd and gets 24.........
If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
Every sport where there are heats that score towards a total.If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
The events are no longer purely about the overall win, it's about maximising each available points scoring opportunity.
Are your priorities win the event overall, or win the world championship?
Ever since they introduced the power stage points it's been like this.
thepawbroon said:
ArnageWRC said:
Lappi wins and gets 19 points, Evans gets 2nd and gets 24.........
If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
I agree, I'm not a fan of this system - but Lappi had it within his power to take all 30 points - he decided to slow down to preserve the event win, possibly to help his team mate, but there's no way he was flat out after Taka-san went off. So in this case, the points system failings are skewed by having a non-regular driver being so competitive. If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
It's the same as the last few years, where a driver in 5th/6th is better off cruising the early Sunday stages in order to have good tyres for the Power Stage and the best chance of 5 extra points.
I've no idea how the WRC promotor can quantify the media benefits of any points system, but at least there's a wee bit added interest on Sunday.
520TORQUES said:
ArnageWRC said:
Lappi wins and gets 19 points, Evans gets 2nd and gets 24.........
If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
Every sport where there are heats that score towards a total.If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
ArnageWRC said:
I said serious sport.....None of the major sports have this system. I presume you mean Rallycross......that's as poor as the WRC.
Lots of sports use a tot up system, multi discipline athletics like the decathlon use it, the Tour de France has the green jersey winner based on points per stage total and not overall time, even F1 has been using it with the sprint race and grand prix both scoring points.It's just another way of determining an outcome measured by a metric. All systems are questionable if you wish to, you just have to compete on the basis of the rules in place and maximise your outcome using the system you are competing under.
Has it devalued the win of an event outright, probably, but then going for the overall win has often been sacrificed when a championship is the goal.
520TORQUES said:
...even F1 has been using it with the sprint race and grand prix both scoring points...
The new WRC system is like an F1 race winner being decided with 3 laps to go, but they have to finish the last 3 laps to keep the win. But there are also separate points for the last 3 laps and bonus points for the fastest final lap.520TORQUES said:
fttm canada said:
Whether Neuville was playing silly buggers who knows , smart move though and the regs allowed it so you can't blame him . Lighter note .nice to see "The Mayor of Brattby " had the stage named in his honour .
I certainly think he was playing games. He got a 40s penalty and probably saved over 1 minute and cost his rival points in the process. If you were disregarding the sportmanship it's a game worth playing. You could see payback later in the year though.He said he had fuel pressure issues, try switching the fuel pump on then.
ArnageWRC said:
Lappi wins and gets 19 points, Evans gets 2nd and gets 24.........
If anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
Yep........utter load of bIf anything sums up the shambles of the current WRC it's probably that......In what serious sport does the runner up get more points than the winner?
ks.What little remaining interest I still had in WRC has now evaporated completely, and its now joined the no longer interested pile along with F1 and others and sadly, my former number one favourite, rallycross.
With the EV world upon us now anyway, historic motorsport will be all we have left.
You may or may not know WRX is run by the same people that run worldrallycross, but the reason it died was not their fault,m the previous owners IMG utterly destroyed it with a few years of taking it over, slapped a badge on it and flogged it to the highest bidder with no real interest ion history, or going to places where it was growing or established just the highest bidder, so existing great track in Europe and Britian were ignored for new venues and f1 car park tracks.
Red Bull media run it now and it pretty much is like the electric off road thing, a total non event, but somehow still going on despite it being behind a paywall and nobody watching it.
IMG did some good stuff, but a lot of what they did is now the reason why rallycross on a global scale has sadly died a slow death. And the worst part, a lot of people responsible were old school rallycross people who should have known better.
Red Bull media run it now and it pretty much is like the electric off road thing, a total non event, but somehow still going on despite it being behind a paywall and nobody watching it.
IMG did some good stuff, but a lot of what they did is now the reason why rallycross on a global scale has sadly died a slow death. And the worst part, a lot of people responsible were old school rallycross people who should have known better.
flatlandsman said:
You may or may not know WRX is run by the same people that run worldrallycross, but the reason it died was not their fault,m the previous owners IMG utterly destroyed it with a few years of taking it over, slapped a badge on it and flogged it to the highest bidder with no real interest ion history, or going to places where it was growing or established just the highest bidder, so existing great track in Europe and Britian were ignored for new venues and f1 car park tracks.
Red Bull media run it now and it pretty much is like the electric off road thing, a total non event, but somehow still going on despite it being behind a paywall and nobody watching it.
IMG did some good stuff, but a lot of what they did is now the reason why rallycross on a global scale has sadly died a slow death. And the worst part, a lot of people responsible were old school rallycross people who should have known better.
Yes, I'm aware of the complete clusterfRed Bull media run it now and it pretty much is like the electric off road thing, a total non event, but somehow still going on despite it being behind a paywall and nobody watching it.
IMG did some good stuff, but a lot of what they did is now the reason why rallycross on a global scale has sadly died a slow death. And the worst part, a lot of people responsible were old school rallycross people who should have known better.
k that Rallycross has became, and why, and who is responsible.As you say, some of those responsible should have known better, but greed as ever gets in the way.
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