Ineos Grenadier customer cars arrive at dealers

[dhutch]

Gwilliamlloyd said:

Grenadier. Is that the one built by sir Jim Ratcliffe ? The massive brexiteer promotor who builds them abroad ? And then moved to Monaco so he doesn’t have to pay any taxes ? The ineos chap who makes hand gel and profits from COVID . The man who promotes single use plastics ? Ps. Is piston heads working for him now ? They normally only do stories on stuff they advertise on their website .

As I'm sure you are aware, yes this is the car we are talking about.

I don't support Brexit or the rich avoid tax, see also JCB and Antony Bamford, and it is a great shame this vehicle wasn't made in the UK, in Wales. However given the site which is being used came up and option at the right time, you would from what I understand, be absolutely mad not to take it with both hands.

Yes they produced medical grade alcohol based hand gel during Covid. but I dont see that as a crime against humanity, the polar opposite infact give the huge supply chain strain there. The handgel they provided is of a high quality and didn't break any laws as far as I know. Unlike the governments procurement of PPE during covid.

I don't know about the promotion of single use plastics or what you are referring to there. However predominantly the company manufactures PVC, with the main consumers being the construction industry for the likes of window frames and flooring, and the medical industry for the likes of blood bags.

[deja.vu]

Gwilliamlloyd said:

Grenadier. Is that the one built by sir Jim Ratcliffe ? The massive brexiteer promotor who builds them abroad ? And then moved to Monaco so he doesn’t have to pay any taxes ? The ineos chap who makes hand gel and profits from COVID . The man who promotes single use plastics ? Ps. Is piston heads working for him now ? They normally only do stories on stuff they advertise on their website .

No mate, this is the one built by Mrs Miggins in her lockup in Barnsley.

Easy mistake to make

[dhutch]

deja.vu said:

No mate, this is the one built by Mrs Miggins in her lockup in Barnsley.

Easy mistake to make

Pmsl

[Pillskii]

Popped into the Edinburgh showroom today to have a look at their prototype Station Wagon (they are expecting a demonstrater within the next few weeks). Looks great in the flesh and was impressed with the finish and solidity of the interior. Commonly sighted lack of footwell space didn’t appear to be an issue to me.

Everything underneath looks really solid…should be able to stand up to the Edinburgh pot holes! They are pricey, but I expect they will hold their value well. I like the concept and could be tempted if it drives nicely on road (off road it is beyond question).

[dhutch]

What flaws had it keep?

-Flimsy door tops and wind noise, nope.
-Absolutely no crash worthiness at all, unlikely.
-Aluminium bodywork riveted to steel frame, no.
-Appalling security, doors open with a screwdriver, can't see it myself.
-Off the scale chassis corrosion, time will tell I guess.
-The prototype I sat in didn't have the handbrake sticking into my leg.
-Nobody had mentioned steering lock being awful if you pick the bigger wheels.

Sure it's going to have niggles, but I think it's safe to say that it's a totally different vehicle from a totally different supply chain, carrying over almost nothing other than the approx styling queues.

[Stuart70]

dhutch said:

What flaws had it keep?

-Flimsy door tops and wind noise, nope.
-Absolutely no crash worthiness at all, unlikely.
-Aluminium bodywork riveted to steel frame, no.
-Appalling security, doors open with a screwdriver, can't see it myself.
-Off the scale chassis corrosion, time will tell I guess.
-The prototype I sat in didn't have the handbrake sticking into my leg.
-Nobody had mentioned steering lock being awful if you pick the bigger wheels.

Sure it's going to have niggles, but I think it's safe to say that it's a totally different vehicle from a totally different supply chain, carrying over almost nothing other than the approx styling queues.

So it is a fabulous new car designed to look like a massively outdated flawed old car.
Which lines it up with the Fiat 500, relaunched Beetle and now the Ineos Grenadier.
Successful cars, perhaps, but not on my shopping list.

The irony that i have owned multiple 911s is not lost on me

[Jon39]

Cobracc said:

Think it's fantastic these are being built in Britain. A fantastic vote of confidence in brexit Britain from arch brexiteer Jim Ratcliffe creating all those high paid, high skilled jobs.

Well done Jim...!

If you had a fledgling start-up motor manufacturing business, then a company that you already have close links with, offered you a modern working car manufacturing plant, complete with its own test track, what would you do?

Maybe your loyalty to Britain is so strong, that you would copy what Mr. Les Edgar did with his 'new' TVR business.
His result - not high paid, high skilled British jobs, but no British jobs at all.
Has not even accepted the factory, that the Welsh government spent a considerable sum of public money refurbishing and now stands empty.

There is much more involved, than you seem to imply.

[dhutch]

Absolutely agree. But supporting Brexit is still mega knobbish thing to do.

[Jon39]

dhutch said:

Absolutely agree. But supporting Brexit is still mega knobbish thing to do.

From growing up in fairly humble circumstances, to £10,000,000,000 and creating 26,000 jobs, possibly he might have reasons for his opinion.

I only provide a job for the occasional tradesman, so am not in a position to reach a conclusion, about what is best long-term.

[Sporky]

Jon39 said:

From growing up in fairly humble circumstances, to £10,000,000,000 and creating 26,000 jobs, possibly he might have reasons for his opinion.

Almost certainly those reasons are more pounds for him.

With that much money knocking about the car could have been made in the UK, providing UK jobs. That clearly isn't his priority.

[DonkeyApple]

Jon39 said:

dhutch said:

Absolutely agree. But supporting Brexit is still mega knobbish thing to do.

From growing up in fairly humble circumstances, to £10,000,000,000 and creating 26,000 jobs, possibly he might have reasons for his opinion.

I only provide a job for the occasional tradesman, so am not in a position to reach a conclusion, about what is best long-term.

Those people only get where they do because they only care about one thing and one thing only. Themselves and at the expense of as many others as is possible. They then get old and start thinking they need to buy a stairway to heaven but Jimmy is a long way from that. He's only just entered the 'look at me I want to be famous' phase which is done by getting on TV shows or buying sporting clubs etc.

They're like 80s South Africans.

[Mikebentley]

DonkeyApple said:

Jon39 said:

dhutch said:

Absolutely agree. But supporting Brexit is still mega knobbish thing to do.

From growing up in fairly humble circumstances, to £10,000,000,000 and creating 26,000 jobs, possibly he might have reasons for his opinion.

I only provide a job for the occasional tradesman, so am not in a position to reach a conclusion, about what is best long-term.

Those people only get where they do because they only care about one thing and one thing only. Themselves and at the expense of as many others as is possible. They then get old and start thinking they need to buy a stairway to heaven but Jimmy is a long way from that. He's only just entered the 'look at me I want to be famous' phase which is done by getting on TV shows or buying sporting clubs etc.

They're like 80s South Africans.

D A this is a fantastic observation. I had never considered the “Look at me “ stage but it is so very true.

[DonkeyApple]

Mikebentley said:

D A this is a fantastic observation. I had never considered the “Look at me “ stage but it is so very true.

I think what triggers it is they reach a certain age where work is mainly looming after itself, the kids have left, the wife needs upgrading and they buy a house in London and spending more time trying to mingle outside their small business network and then start realising that no one knows who they are or gives a fk about just another old man trying to get a table next important and famous people so they hire a profile agent who gets them on TV or steers them into backing then owning events frequented by the common man they've worked tirelessly for years to get as far away from as possible and lo!, doormen, barmen and bottlerats all start fawning over them.

This era seems to coincide with the one where they suddenly wake up one morning and think they're randomly politically astute and relevant just because they are brilliant at their industry.

And if your empire looks like it's teetering on collapse then you can get a stint on Dragon's Den and hope that your lenders give you a reprieve on the grounds that you're now a famous TV and social media celeb so can spank the punters for some fast cash to keep the bailiffs away a bit longer.

[jeremy996]

My Grenadier at the dealer after arriving yesterday at noon. I don't know when I'll be able to drive it away as it needs a PDI, side steps and mats adding, a software flash and registration. Ineos need to send me an invoice too, as the dealer is an agent, not the vendor.

[Mikebentley]

I saw five today on a transporter heading up the M1. 2 Black, 1 bright blue and 2 green. They looked nice enough. I think next week this thread may actually live up to its title.

[Fast and Spurious]

DonkeyApple said:

I think what triggers it is they reach a certain age where work is mainly looming after itself, the kids have left, the wife needs upgrading and they buy a house in London and spending more time trying to mingle outside their small business network and then start realising that no one knows who they are or gives a fk about just another old man trying to get a table next important and famous people so they hire a profile agent who gets them on TV or steers them into backing then owning events frequented by the common man they've worked tirelessly for years to get as far away from as possible and lo!, doormen, barmen and bottlerats all start fawning over them.

This era seems to coincide with the one where they suddenly wake up one morning and think they're randomly politically astute and relevant just because they are brilliant at their industry.

And if your empire looks like it's teetering on collapse then you can get a stint on Dragon's Den and hope that your lenders give you a reprieve on the grounds that you're now a famous TV and social media celeb so can spank the punters for some fast cash to keep the bailiffs away a bit longer.

TL:DR
Nor did anyone else.

[Fast and Spurious]

jeremy996 said:

My Grenadier at the dealer after arriving yesterday at noon. I don't know when I'll be able to drive it away as it needs a PDI, side steps and mats adding, a software flash and registration. Ineos need to send me an invoice too, as the dealer is an agent, not the vendor.

That does look the business. I reckon these will hold their value well.

[dhutch]

Fast and Spurious said:

DonkeyApple said:

I think what triggers it is they reach a certain age where work is mainly looming after itself, the kids have left, the wife needs upgrading and they buy a house in London and spending more time trying to mingle outside their small business network and then start realising that no one knows who they are or gives a fk about just another old man trying to get a table next important and famous people so they hire a profile agent who gets them on TV or steers them into backing then owning events frequented by the common man they've worked tirelessly for years to get as far away from as possible and lo!, doormen, barmen and bottlerats all start fawning over them.

This era seems to coincide with the one where they suddenly wake up one morning and think they're randomly politically astute and relevant just because they are brilliant at their industry.

And if your empire looks like it's teetering on collapse then you can get a stint on Dragon's Den and hope that your lenders give you a reprieve on the grounds that you're now a famous TV and social media celeb so can spank the punters for some fast cash to keep the bailiffs away a bit longer.

TL:DR
Nor did anyone else.

I actually this it's brilliant and probably fairly close to it!

[loskie]

jeremy996 said:

My Grenadier at the dealer after arriving yesterday at noon. I don't know when I'll be able to drive it away as it needs a PDI, side steps and mats adding, a software flash and registration. Ineos need to send me an invoice too, as the dealer is an agent, not the vendor.

Ahhhh. I'd love a Santana like that one

[eliot]

jeremy996 said:

My Grenadier at the dealer after arriving yesterday at noon. I don't know when I'll be able to drive it away as it needs a PDI, side steps and mats adding, a software flash and registration. Ineos need to send me an invoice too, as the dealer is an agent, not the vendor.

Friend of mine just had a similar message that it’s left the factory but will need an update before he can have it