Kit car industry and how to revive interest and sales

Kit car industry and how to revive interest and sales

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OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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You don't want to be taking on the main stream guys though, their budgets just make it not worth while.

It has to have a USP which differentiates it from the norm. That's the only reason you buy kit cars really.

I would like to see a more rugged mid engined car, like an off roader that works on road too. Full bodied to let it be used in the rain. Just dreaming really.

ajprice

27,640 posts

197 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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OlberJ said:
I would like to see a more rugged mid engined car, like an off roader that works on road too. Full bodied to let it be used in the rain. Just dreaming really.
Interesting, something like these?

Giugiaro Parcour Concept


Audi Nanuk



Useless fact #739 - They are the same car underneath http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/10/audi-nanuk-conc...

OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Indeed. Strangely enough thinking of using the Audi 4.2 to power it.

A 2 seater with mid engined power plant and adjustable suspension to switch between road and off road would do it for me.

Mid engine 4x4 is a nightmare so i'll stop short of requesting that.

If it had bodywork on the bottom half of the car that you could remove, skirts and bumpers, then you really do have ther best of both worlds.

Basically a rallycross car for the road.

I'd quite happily drive something with big sidewalls and enjoy some dynamics over rock hard suspension and rubber band tyres.


spaximus

4,239 posts

254 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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The industry has to look at what will sell and why. Take the new Healy that is in COMPLETE KIT CAR magazine, looks great and build wise should be easy to do. But cost wise over £15k, about the same price as a high specced MX5 which is the doner. Will it sell? I hope so but is it too normal.
I have two friends who both had Westfields, one sold and bought an Elise the other a Boxster, bothe for less than the Westfields they had. Both drive well and the boxster has air con and ABS etc. They both have that important bit which is spousal support, they both get more use out of them.
So if quality cars like that are so cheap unless Kit Cars offer more than that in some way it will be a hard slog. Kits have to be either a replica of something that a normal person could never own, or something that is radically different or offers something different.

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

270 months

Thursday 31st October 2013
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http://www.magnummk5.com/

A new mid-engine sportscar

ajprice

27,640 posts

197 months

Friday 1st November 2013
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OlberJ said:
Indeed. Strangely enough thinking of using the Audi 4.2 to power it.

A 2 seater with mid engined power plant and adjustable suspension to switch between road and off road would do it for me.

Mid engine 4x4 is a nightmare so i'll stop short of requesting that.

If it had bodywork on the bottom half of the car that you could remove, skirts and bumpers, then you really do have ther best of both worlds.

Basically a rallycross car for the road.

I'd quite happily drive something with big sidewalls and enjoy some dynamics over rock hard suspension and rubber band tyres.
From the "Cars you didn't know existed" thread in GG

Risotto said:
Axiom Mega Track:



Sort of giant, luxury off-road supercar. Think they only made a handful...slightly niche, so not surprising really!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Friday 1st November 2013
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That's fantastic! Something very similar would be huge fun.

AudiSport

1,460 posts

217 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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I don't think the kit car market will ever be the same again due to the number of finance options available on cars these days. Additionally, the majority seem to strive for a new car, full of creature comforts and Bluetooth connectivity than an AC Cobra. The hole market needs to reposition itself, and I believe the future is no longer in replicas - you need to offer something different, something more attractive than currently available. The problem lays in technology, and what we are all starting to consider the norm.

OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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Are there any fwd kit cars out there? Interesting ones.

dmulally

6,211 posts

181 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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AudiSport said:
I don't think the kit car market will ever be the same again due to the number of finance options available on cars these days. Additionally, the majority seem to strive for a new car, full of creature comforts and Bluetooth connectivity than an AC Cobra. The hole market needs to reposition itself, and I believe the future is no longer in replicas - you need to offer something different, something more attractive than currently available. The problem lays in technology, and what we are all starting to consider the norm.
I personally feel the next kit car breakthrough will be something to do with electric cars. At the moment it is too expensive. But batteries are getting better and cheaper while fuel is getting higher...and Leon's getting laaaarger. Combine that with the performance growing and the increasing need for people to take a "face value" moral stance on the environment and it is a winner.

mirach

154 posts

224 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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i couldn't agree more, having seen a friends little electric pug take off from standstill at a rate that would leave many boy racers for dead. electric is definately now a serious option.but not until both battery prices drop and the range increases,

dmulally

6,211 posts

181 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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The only thing that could stop progress is workers rights in China. I think it would suit the kit car world as the more range you need the more batteries you need. Track toys could still be relatively light.

The other thing is hub motors. Bikes are already out and about so ready made ones for a car are not too far away.

ajprice

27,640 posts

197 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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OlberJ said:
That's fantastic! Something very similar would be huge fun.
A 'concept' SLK with G wagen oily bits has been posted in that GG thread now, it's got me thinking of what sportscar bodies on top of LR Defenders would be like, baja bug style hehe

trevorc

62 posts

220 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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OlberJ said:
Indeed. Strangely enough thinking of using the Audi 4.2 to power it.

A 2 seater with mid engined power plant and adjustable suspension to switch between road and off road would do it for me.

Mid engine 4x4 is a nightmare so i'll stop short of requesting that.

If it had bodywork on the bottom half of the car that you could remove, skirts and bumpers, then you really do have ther best of both worlds.

Basically a rallycross car for the road.

I'd quite happily drive something with big sidewalls and enjoy some dynamics over rock hard suspension and rubber band tyres.
Much the same desire.... Fun to see the Lambo and Audi concept cars.


OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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The more I think about it, the more a modified/rebodied vx220 appeals.


Pistom

4,985 posts

160 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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OlberJ said:
The more I think about it, the more a modified/rebodied vx220 appeals.
I can see your thinking but just couldn't imagine good enough reasons to do this unless the result is stunning. The VX goes well but it doesn't look shabby and they are not so common.

OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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My issue is i tend to think of doing "specials" myself rather than viable structured business models.

Is there a market in off road/rallycross kit cars?

dom9

8,092 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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OlberJ said:
The more I think about it, the more a modified/rebodied vx220 appeals.
Could you get an RS200 body (or even a Stratos, like in the MR2 thread) on a VX/ Elise chassis fairly easily? Anyone checked the dimensions?

OlberJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I think i'd like to try my own body rather than a rep.

Fully expecting a homer style bubble car as the result hehe

trevorc

62 posts

220 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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OlberJ said:
My issue is i tend to think of doing "specials" myself rather than viable structured business models.

Is there a market in off road/rallycross kit cars?
Seems to be in the USA..Google LocalMotors and Rally Fighter.