BMW Z3 with Ferrari 250 SWB kit

BMW Z3 with Ferrari 250 SWB kit

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Maranellohouse

172 posts

208 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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jeff666 said:
Tribute have a build agent,

They are called Nubodi Automotive, based in Reading, they built Smash's car on here, it may be worth giving them a call and see what they would charge.
Now that's interesting, thank you, @Smash and thank you for the photo's of the blue one. I see a plan developing.

LordTwaddle

477 posts

125 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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I'm very tempted to build one of these too. Black with a red interior, some chrome trim, maybe wire wheels, wooden steering wheel and knob, open gate long-throw gear lever, old school bucket seats and quad straight pipes for the classic race sound.

As for badges I'd be tied between Ferrari ones (and just not boast about it being real to people who aren't fools) or classic BMW badges (which would then confuse people)

djb222

67 posts

126 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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smash said:
They've just completed this which will be at the National Kit Car Show:

I saw this car at Stoneleigh and it looked impressive. it's the Auto Mirage and as far as I know (website) has it's own purpose built chassis and is not a body panel replacement, like the tribute. This gives you more scope for an original style interior rather than modern!! Z3 and looks more accurate.

In my book if you're going to build a replica build one and not a lookalike. Having said that some people are happy with something that features styling from say a 250 or california, but is obviously not.

The UK kit car industry has produced hundreds of cars,some, that have really questionable styling and look as though the designers were optically challenged yet always seemed to find at least a few buyers.

I suppose it's like anything in life you pays your money you make your choice and if you're happy it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

For me it would be the mirage version, however I've got my eye on a Shelby Daytona, or Lister Bell Stratos.....atfer I've finished the Ultima .

e21Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Thursday 18th May 2017
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I'd love an Ultima.

djb222

67 posts

126 months

Friday 19th May 2017
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The car I saw was on the Mirage stand and looks identical, to the one on their website and it looked very good..

Venturist

3,472 posts

195 months

Friday 19th May 2017
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djb222 said:
The car I saw was on the Mirage stand and looks identical, to the one on their website and it looked very good..
It does indeed but that's not the car in the photo hehe
Doesn't the Mirage demo have a horizontal white stripe across the bonnet?

ugg10

681 posts

217 months

Friday 19th May 2017
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From what I can tell the tribute and mirage are totally different cars aimed at different markets that happen to look similar to a classic Ferrari.

Tribute is a body panel swap onto a BMW z3 car that dies not need IVA and can be built for around £10k. The mirage is all bespoke, still using BMW running gear (330i) but with a dedicated chassis and interior and needs an IVA and is aimed at the top end cobra buyer c£75k for home build.

About badges, great to have a good looking replica and in the uk the copyright laws do not seem to be enforced for replica cars, but beware if you want to use you car else where as there have been reports or cars being seized and crushed under counterfeiting laws. I would design my own badges and name and put them, no confusion then.

On a similar theme I saw this car last week - http://www.historicautopro.com/1972-marciano-268a- - absolutely stunning but interestingly it is very Ferrari in styling but dies not try to pass itself off as one. This is the way I would go.

ugg10

681 posts

217 months

Friday 19th May 2017
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From what I can tell the tribute and mirage are totally different cars aimed at different markets that happen to look similar to a classic Ferrari.

Tribute is a body panel swap onto a BMW z3 car that dies not need IVA and can be built for around £10k. The mirage is all bespoke, still using BMW running gear (330i) but with a dedicated chassis and interior and needs an IVA and is aimed at the top end cobra buyer c£75k for home build.

About badges, great to have a good looking replica and in the uk the copyright laws do not seem to be enforced for replica cars, but beware if you want to use you car else where as there have been reports or cars being seized and crushed under counterfeiting laws. I would design my own badges and name and put them, no confusion then.

On a similar theme I saw this car last week - http://www.historicautopro.com/1972-marciano-268a- - absolutely stunning but interestingly it is very Ferrari in styling but dies not try to pass itself off as one. This is the way I would go.

djb222

67 posts

126 months

Friday 19th May 2017
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Venturist said:
It does indeed but that's not the car in the photo hehe
Doesn't the Mirage demo have a horizontal white stripe across the bonnet?
That's the one, I suppose the colour being v similar threw me. Anyway It did look good. Would be nice with a BMW V8 or V10 !!!!!!!!!!

Caddyshack

10,809 posts

206 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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I have been seriously looking at these and think I may go for a DNA 250 California for the full Ferris Beuller look, I have even found a retro "save Ferris" sticker for it.

I definitely would put Ferrari badges on it 1) it looks right to me and is a "tribute" I am not trying to fool anyone but don't see the harm 2) it would wind up those purists that seem to say they like the car but feel it is ruined by the badges....as if 3 or 4 tiny badges can ruin how it looks, it is just their Ego that is offended, nothing else.

I cannot ever own a real 250 California, even a big lottery win would not afford one unless it was £10m plus and the ONLY thing we bought was just that 1 car...which would be daft. So why not get it as close as I can in looks and enjoy it.

I have looked at BMW v8 swaps and e36 M3 swaps but do not think it would be worth the effort and extra cost as the car probably isn't the one to enjoy that power in, even the brakes would not fit well under the 15 inch looky like wheels. I had a Z3m and it was a good car but the 2.8 will be enough for this.

Caddyshack

10,809 posts

206 months

Sunday 21st May 2017
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Thanks Jeff, that is sad to hear, I much preferred the California styled front and rear lights.

V8RX7

26,862 posts

263 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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ugg10 said:
The mirage... using BMW running gear (330i) but with a dedicated chassis and interior and needs an IVA and is aimed at the top end cobra buyer c£75k for home build
£75,000 !!!

Someone will pay £75,000 to build a kit car themselves, complete with the inbuilt throttle delay that affects all BMWs

How does a madman get hold of £75,000 ?

Caddyshack

10,809 posts

206 months

Monday 22nd May 2017
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jeff666 said:
Caddyshack said:
Thanks Jeff, that is sad to hear, I much preferred the California styled front and rear lights.
I agree,

The DNA one though has been well thought out and done to a fantastic standard, you would be hard pushed to reconise the BMW underpinnings, they do the full interior upgrade which also looks like the real deal.
Yes, that is what I liked about it. I will look at the Tribute ones as still cheap fun and much easier to live with than a real classic. The Z3m that we had was a nice car to drive, I think one of these on the softer suspension and balloon tyres would make for a nice cruiser.

minerva

756 posts

204 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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Thread resurrection and all that, but these are brilliant and I'm well and truly smitten with what is probably one of the most beautiful cars ever made for a fraction of an original.

Please can someone point out to me what the obvious differences are between the original (and, perhaps, the Mirage kit) and the Tribute kit? I know that some have strong opinions but I'm not certain I can really tell....

There is what appears to be a tribute for sale at £39k but is it strong money? I think it is absolutely stunning.....

http://m.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C900748

minerva

756 posts

204 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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1) windscreen too sharply angled
2) b pillar too broad
3) door shut line doesn't meet up with side window in as straight a line as the original

I suppose it's obvious when you know what you're looking for?

CanAm

9,203 posts

272 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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It is a Tribute kit so £39k is indeed strong money for a BMW Z3 with a plastic bodykit (was a cost of around £5-6k mentioned above for the kit?).

I'd like to see more photos to see how good it is.

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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CanAm said:
It is a Tribute kit so £39k is indeed strong money for a BMW Z3 with a plastic bodykit (was a cost of around £5-6k mentioned above for the kit?).

I'd like to see more photos to see how good it is.
I'd really like to buy a turn key car but it would need to be pretty special for £39k.

Caddyshack

10,809 posts

206 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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The kit is not the total cost though, You could very easily pay the same amount again to have the kit fitted and properly gapped with fibre glass to make all the shut lines look right and then prep for paint and have it painted well.

Then you have all the other incidentals. Wheels and tyres, lights, grilles, interior etc...

I am going to allow £20k min to buy a donor, buy the kit and have it painted and buy a few bits for it. Although I have just seen a 49,000 mile Black 2.8 wide body with BMW service right through and the right colour interior etc.. for £10k which would be a lovely donor.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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minerva said:
Thread resurrection and all that, but these are brilliant and I'm well and truly smitten with what is probably one of the most beautiful cars ever made for a fraction of an original.

Please can someone point out to me what the obvious differences are between the original (and, perhaps, the Mirage kit) and the Tribute kit? I know that some have strong opinions but I'm not certain I can really tell....

There is what appears to be a tribute for sale at £39k but is it strong money? I think it is absolutely stunning.....

http://m.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C900748

Ferrari probably wont sue them for passing off as it would give some credence

How is it registered as a 250?

Is it missing chrome bumpers?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Friday 6th October 2017
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How will the DVLA's latest purge on altered cars affect these?