BMW Z3 with Ferrari 250 SWB kit
Discussion
minerva said:
Now back up for sale. Was £39,000 in 2017 and Specialist Cars seem to have seen more potential in it than before.. £85,000
Does seem really strong money that. I can understand how a nice one gets to £40-50, there is a lot or work in making one, they are nice looking car, and if it seriously nice condition as a lot are, what else could you have for the money? However at £85k surely you could commision a new one!Daniel
ukcerb said:
I just happen to have a DNA Calafornia that I bought before everything was stopped. Haven’t started it yet but have a nice donor too so just waiting for the right time to start.
Cool,The DNA are a very well made kit, I was talking about Tribute kits, they have supposedly stopped making them although their build agent still has them listed on their website.
just viewed the pics (red car) of the ebay advert:
car sits way to high. the
passenger side footwell: open space unerneath the dash looks untidy, centre panel with radio looks "homebrew" and isnt closed on the side.
the whitewall tyres and wire wheels looks like to over-egg the pudding saying forcing people to think "hey, i´m a historic car"...at the end of the day even a blind will see that its just a kit.
with the ferrari-badges you may even risk leagal claims.
even it looks tidy and nice on 1st iew....2nd view reveals typical kitcar issues....and all this for 52.000pound?? no way!!
car sits way to high. the
passenger side footwell: open space unerneath the dash looks untidy, centre panel with radio looks "homebrew" and isnt closed on the side.
the whitewall tyres and wire wheels looks like to over-egg the pudding saying forcing people to think "hey, i´m a historic car"...at the end of the day even a blind will see that its just a kit.
with the ferrari-badges you may even risk leagal claims.
even it looks tidy and nice on 1st iew....2nd view reveals typical kitcar issues....and all this for 52.000pound?? no way!!
I have to admit you’re actuallly correct on some of your observations! I had put the car on eBay before it was completely finished to see what interest there was with everything goino on. The dash sides and under dash were at the trimmers so photographs were taken without. The deep dish wire wheels are on order (with plain black tyres!) but because of current situation may take another 8 weeks, and I agree the whitewalls look a bit like a cow with socks! The ride height will be lower, again, once I have the Eibach springs. The badges (blanked out in the photos for obvious reasons as you rightly point out) are in my opinion a nice finishing touch but I know not everyone agrees.
The kit car world is full of typical kit car issues as you so rightly say, often with a ‘that’ll do attitude’ but it’s unfair to tar all kit cars with the same brush anymore than to say all houses are badly built. Many are finished to such a high standard with hundreds and hundreds of hours spent and correct period parts adding up to a value that may surprise you, for example a rear indicator on this car was over £100 and the period gauges over a £1000. There are cheaper lookalike parts available but depends what finished result you’re after and I know what I would choose every time. Can’t quite get to £8,000,000 yet for a real one!
The kit car world is full of typical kit car issues as you so rightly say, often with a ‘that’ll do attitude’ but it’s unfair to tar all kit cars with the same brush anymore than to say all houses are badly built. Many are finished to such a high standard with hundreds and hundreds of hours spent and correct period parts adding up to a value that may surprise you, for example a rear indicator on this car was over £100 and the period gauges over a £1000. There are cheaper lookalike parts available but depends what finished result you’re after and I know what I would choose every time. Can’t quite get to £8,000,000 yet for a real one!
UKcerb is on the money - literally. There are kit cars and there are kit cars. The Tribute needs 100's of man hours and expensive OEM and custom parts to get it to where you would want a car such as this to be. My own car is currently midway through being trimmed and no corners being cut. Some would say it's mad how much I'm spending but the car deserves it. The body has had over 200 hours into it at expense of previous owner with major customisation such as increasing height of sills c/w shortening depth of doors by 4cm - huge impact on the look. The wheels were custom made by Turino to replicate Boranis (6k I believe plus 1k for the correct Centuratos). Filler relocated to top left corner of boot. Genuine rear screen with alloy vent a la Brawn car. The stance is spot on. It looks convincingly period despite some donor compromises being unavoidable. And I've just splashed on Nardi Anni 60 on top. It goes on. If I ever sold, the 50k mentioned uo the thread would only just about return the total build cost by previous owner and myself. There'll be no better Tribute out there IMO but your next option up is the Mirage 250 (like Trickys - lucky man!) which is 120k plus. And yes, I know you can have a real Italian for that money. You pays your money...
Edited by smash on Saturday 2nd May 08:08
such cars / kits do indeed need a lot of man-hours to get a reasonable result...but thats part of the deal when building-up such a thing.
at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
times have passed where companies started as kitcar manufacturers (like TVR, Ginetta, Lotus) and than later became famous.
the reality is: nowadays kitcars are just something "for fun"...but due to changed laws and general views onto things, they will NEVER become famous and valueable than in the past times.
the worst investment you can do today. throw money in a kitcar-built.
at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
times have passed where companies started as kitcar manufacturers (like TVR, Ginetta, Lotus) and than later became famous.
the reality is: nowadays kitcars are just something "for fun"...but due to changed laws and general views onto things, they will NEVER become famous and valueable than in the past times.
the worst investment you can do today. throw money in a kitcar-built.
Edited by LLantrisant on Saturday 2nd May 11:20
LLantrisant said:
such cars / kits do indeed need a lot of man-hours to get a reasonable result...but thats part of the deal when building-up such a thing.
at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
Absolutely - When I've seen some kits being sold for cars (with the statement that a real one costs £xooo's) at inflated prices, I always think "what work has gone into that" - If the moulds are first class and the chassis (if it has a new one) is well made there may be some justification for a higher price than other kits. The Cobra market is typical.... some replicas are first class chassis and bodies, but there are others less so - If the shape wasn't like a cobra, but a unique design then maybe the high price couldn't be attained. As it happens (IMHO) the Tribute products are correctly priced, and it staggers me that so much is being asked for completed ones.
at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
Absolutely - When I've seen some kits being sold for cars (with the statement that a real one costs £xooo's) at inflated prices, I always think "what work has gone into that" - If the moulds are first class and the chassis (if it has a new one) is well made there may be some justification for a higher price than other kits. The Cobra market is typical.... some replicas are first class chassis and bodies, but there are others less so - If the shape wasn't like a cobra, but a unique design then maybe the high price couldn't be attained. As it happens (IMHO) the Tribute products are correctly priced, and it staggers me that so much is being asked for completed ones.
As always you pays your money...
I think they are a great kit.
My father is a dealer and has owned replica, modified and genuine E-types, C types etc some of the replicas are better built, some are faster and cheaper to fix - that's my idea of fun.
Best one was a fibreglass bodied C type with tubular chassis and 400bhp V8 he sold it for £35k and I'd buy it back in a heartbeat.
I think they are a great kit.
My father is a dealer and has owned replica, modified and genuine E-types, C types etc some of the replicas are better built, some are faster and cheaper to fix - that's my idea of fun.
Best one was a fibreglass bodied C type with tubular chassis and 400bhp V8 he sold it for £35k and I'd buy it back in a heartbeat.
LLantrisant said:
such cars / kits do indeed need a lot of man-hours to get a reasonable result...but thats part of the deal when building-up such a thing.
at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
times have passed where companies started as kitcar manufacturers (like TVR, Ginetta, Lotus) and than later became famous.
the reality is: nowadays kitcars are just something "for fun"...but due to changed laws and general views onto things, they will NEVER become famous and valueable than in the past times.
the worst investment you can do today. throw money in a kitcar-built.
I agree - if you are building the car JUST to make a profit.at the end of the day its just a homemade "thing", without ANY historic value...hardly without any value at all.
search for a good Z3, pamper it and see how the value wll rize within the next 10years, instead rippng it apart and stick some kind of body kit to it.
the builder /seller may think different, as he spent plenty of hours and therefore built-up a relationship to this car.
only because the real ferrari costs 800.000 or 8. million....why the price of "something" which looks similar, but is something completely different, on top without a sustainable value, should be sold for a high price?
times have passed where companies started as kitcar manufacturers (like TVR, Ginetta, Lotus) and than later became famous.
the reality is: nowadays kitcars are just something "for fun"...but due to changed laws and general views onto things, they will NEVER become famous and valueable than in the past times.
the worst investment you can do today. throw money in a kitcar-built.
Edited by LLantrisant on Saturday 2nd May 11:20
If your enjoyment is in making THINGS, there are very few things that you can make that will return a break-even, let alone any kind of profit.
If you decide to price your labour at anything approaching commercial rates and include floor rent/rates, equipment hire/purchase, you would be running at around £20k loss on every car built, but if you price your labour at zero (as it's a hobby), there's about £10k to be made for a year's hobbying.
Alternatively, you could sit at the side of a river and try to catch some fish
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I sold my far from complete 250 replica to a very happy man from Germany a few years back. It came from Tribute but it wasn't one of their kits; it was a cut and shut of an old kit for a Datsun. Based on a mk4 Supra Turbo.
Got nowhere mostly because Tributes definition of a donor in good condition differed rather a lot from mine, I spent ages getting the Supra running properly then lost interest. I do wonder if it ever got finished or if it got broken for the engine etc.
Got nowhere mostly because Tributes definition of a donor in good condition differed rather a lot from mine, I spent ages getting the Supra running properly then lost interest. I do wonder if it ever got finished or if it got broken for the engine etc.
hairykrishna said:
I sold my far from complete 250 replica to a very happy man from Germany a few years back. It came from Tribute but it wasn't one of their kits; it was a cut and shut of an old kit for a Datsun. Based on a mk4 Supra Turbo.
Got nowhere mostly because Tributes definition of a donor in good condition differed rather a lot from mine, I spent ages getting the Supra running properly then lost interest. I do wonder if it ever got finished or if it got broken for the engine etc.
Sounds interesting,Got nowhere mostly because Tributes definition of a donor in good condition differed rather a lot from mine, I spent ages getting the Supra running properly then lost interest. I do wonder if it ever got finished or if it got broken for the engine etc.
Was it a SWB or a GTO ? I have the GTO based on a Datsun, do you have any pics of it before you sold it ?
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