Brexit benefit to kit cars?
Discussion
fuoriserie said:
.....I personally hope there is a shake- up in the EU and favour the Brexit, you would be more independent from corrupt and inept burocrats( lobbied by the multinationals against the will of the people....) in Brussels.
Who says those who are promoting brexit are any less corrupt or inept?annodomini2 said:
fuoriserie said:
.....I personally hope there is a shake- up in the EU and favour the Brexit, you would be more independent from corrupt and inept burocrats( lobbied by the multinationals against the will of the people....) in Brussels.
Who says those who are promoting brexit are any less corrupt or inept?[/quoteIndeed the generally tendancy of business systems to screw up generally, is a widely recognised tendancy of many grand plans. I cannot seem any immediate propensity for improvement Is either likely or planned? You may well be about right with your anticipation of greater nonsense around.
SVA / IVA was established to fullfill some EU requirements!!
but local law counts more than EU law. means it was mainly established that UK residents do not get into trouble when travelling with THEIR kitcars outside UK.
this said the EU member-states do not accept those cars for local- registration, amongst other things: for 1 major reason:
the UK is the ONLY country where the emission classification is done by the engine age and not by the date of 1st reg. on top, there is the q-plate thing existing (visual emmission test)
but the emission classification isnt only the emissions comming from the exhaust: the classification is also linked to other things like: OBD, Tank Fumes , Noise, EMS etc.
the "real" emissions need to be proved into a special rolling road session, as the kitcar is using a different exhaust, different engine management, different weight etc. than the dnor car of the engine. in UK its enough to do a static emmission test.
so practically imposssible to fullfill those requirements....so guess why EU caterham or westfield models are so expensive?
there is an examption for low vloume manufacturers. but those things are also complicated as you have to put the car through several expensive tests (chassis sturdiness, emission tests etc...if you want to do it 100% legal it sets you around 75-100000 euro)..and finally you are allowed to built 15 or so cars per year...but all must be 1000% identical!!!! guess the price you have to sell them??
but local law counts more than EU law. means it was mainly established that UK residents do not get into trouble when travelling with THEIR kitcars outside UK.
this said the EU member-states do not accept those cars for local- registration, amongst other things: for 1 major reason:
the UK is the ONLY country where the emission classification is done by the engine age and not by the date of 1st reg. on top, there is the q-plate thing existing (visual emmission test)
but the emission classification isnt only the emissions comming from the exhaust: the classification is also linked to other things like: OBD, Tank Fumes , Noise, EMS etc.
the "real" emissions need to be proved into a special rolling road session, as the kitcar is using a different exhaust, different engine management, different weight etc. than the dnor car of the engine. in UK its enough to do a static emmission test.
so practically imposssible to fullfill those requirements....so guess why EU caterham or westfield models are so expensive?
there is an examption for low vloume manufacturers. but those things are also complicated as you have to put the car through several expensive tests (chassis sturdiness, emission tests etc...if you want to do it 100% legal it sets you around 75-100000 euro)..and finally you are allowed to built 15 or so cars per year...but all must be 1000% identical!!!! guess the price you have to sell them??
Edited by LLantrisant on Sunday 1st May 10:40
LLantrisant said:
...it was mainly established that UK residents do not get into trouble when travelling with THEIR kitcars outside UK.
this said the EU member-states do not accept those cars for local registration, amongst other things: for...
Exactly.this said the EU member-states do not accept those cars for local registration, amongst other things: for...
All of which should be telling the more asute amongst you that any 'IVA' test comprehensive enough to be compliant Euro-wide would cost many £thousands per car. The emissions testing alone would cost a 4-figure sum.
Be careful what Stuart wishes you into... his wishes might come true, and then the UK kit car industry would be well and truly f
ked.Ask the Germans about TUV
annodomini2 said:
fuoriserie said:
.....I personally hope there is a shake- up in the EU and favour the Brexit, you would be more independent from corrupt and inept burocrats( lobbied by the multinationals against the will of the people....) in Brussels.
Who says those who are promoting brexit are any less corrupt or inept?But most of all, I would check if they had been consistent with their past promises to the electorate on what they were going to do for them?...these are just a few things I would personally check, but others would do things differently.
But what do I know, I'm not going to vote in the UK anytime soon....as my vote is not valid and we're not a United European Union....
Good seeing all the latest kit car offerings today at Stoneleigh and as usual Stuart Mills was in fine form demonstrating a number of improvements to his kits and some very interesting very well made very compact Camping trailers. Excellent standards through his entire comany Those boys really want to get the job done.
I thoroughly recommend anyone new to kit cars to seek out Stuart Mills and other luminaries who are most helpful in suggesting possibilities. His Replicar is such a sweet success that that must be surely, be worth a look! Remarkably. Good looking, very period and with all MX5 underpinnings. Excellent first choice I think!
Show was much as usual but we had completely unexpected and most welcome bright warm Sunny weather all day, right into the evening. which kept the mud at bay and make the whole show the better.
Where do we go next to see the latest kit cars on offer? I will do my best to update happenings!
I thoroughly recommend anyone new to kit cars to seek out Stuart Mills and other luminaries who are most helpful in suggesting possibilities. His Replicar is such a sweet success that that must be surely, be worth a look! Remarkably. Good looking, very period and with all MX5 underpinnings. Excellent first choice I think!
Show was much as usual but we had completely unexpected and most welcome bright warm Sunny weather all day, right into the evening. which kept the mud at bay and make the whole show the better.
Where do we go next to see the latest kit cars on offer? I will do my best to update happenings!
Steffan said:
Good seeing all the latest kit car offerings today at Stoneleigh and as usual Stuart Mills was in fine form demonstrating a number of improvements to his kits and some very interesting very well made very compact Camping trailers. Excellent standards through his entire comany Those boys really want to get the job done.
I thoroughly recommend anyone new to kit cars to seek out Stuart Mills and other luminaries who are most helpful in suggesting possibilities. His Replicar is such a sweet success that that must be surely, be worth a look! Remarkably. Good looking, very period and with all MX5 underpinnings. Excellent first choice I think!
Show was much as usual but we had completely unexpected and most welcome bright warm Sunny weather all day, right into the evening. which kept the mud at bay and make the whole show the better.
Where do we go next to see the latest kit cars on offer? I will do my best to update happenings!
Top quality brown-nosing, but it has what to do with Brexit, exactly? I thoroughly recommend anyone new to kit cars to seek out Stuart Mills and other luminaries who are most helpful in suggesting possibilities. His Replicar is such a sweet success that that must be surely, be worth a look! Remarkably. Good looking, very period and with all MX5 underpinnings. Excellent first choice I think!
Show was much as usual but we had completely unexpected and most welcome bright warm Sunny weather all day, right into the evening. which kept the mud at bay and make the whole show the better.
Where do we go next to see the latest kit cars on offer? I will do my best to update happenings!
I suppose that switching to caravan manufacture is one way of avoiding IVA...
Equus said:
Top quality brown-nosing, but it has what to do with Brexit, exactly?
I suppose that switching to caravan manufacture is one way of avoiding IVA...
"switching to caravan manufacturing"? Not sure where you heard that. I should point out that Brussels inflicted trailer IVA upon the UK. Sold 3 Exopods to a dealer in Holland, no IVA required there! Another example of one rule for them and one rule for us.I suppose that switching to caravan manufacture is one way of avoiding IVA...
Stuart Mills said:
"switching to caravan manufacturing"? Not sure where you heard that.
Why, from Steffan. 
Though I notice that you weren't the only manufacturer offering a kit-form caravan at Stoneleigh this year.
Brussels did NOT inflict trailer IVA upon the UK, any more than it inflicted vehicle IVA upon us. It was our government's choice to frame suitable national regulations, which is why the Dutch can choose not to. Though I suspect that in the case of your 'Exopods' they simply have a different (and possibly more correct) view and approach to trailer caravans as 'Special Purpose Vehicles'.
Given the number of crashes involving caravans on my local motorway (the M5 to Devon and Cornwall) at this time of year, I wholeheartedly support any efforts to improve safety standards with the damned things.
Incidentally:
European type approval 94/20/EC said:
In the U.K, with effect from 1st August 1998 all Passenger Carrying Vehicles up to 3500kgs Gross Vehicle Weight (M1 Vehicles) can only be fitted with European Type Approved towbars if the vehicle has received European Whole Vehicle Type Approval.
I assume you've got the necessary type approval for the towbar you're showing fitted to the Exocet for towing the Exopod?What's the approval number, so that I can check?
Good news, IVA for trailers is only £75. This fee is included in the Exopod price. We do not sell tow bars.
It appears that selling caravans to the rest of Europe is OK but the other member countries do not accept home built kit cars clearly demonstrating a them and us approach. They used to call it a common market.
It appears that selling caravans to the rest of Europe is OK but the other member countries do not accept home built kit cars clearly demonstrating a them and us approach. They used to call it a common market.
Stuart Mills said:
Good news, IVA for trailers is only £75. This fee is included in the Exopod price. We do not sell tow bars.
It appears that selling caravans to the rest of Europe is OK but the other member countries do not accept home built kit cars clearly demonstrating a them and us approach. They used to call it a common market.
Point distinctly missed ... but ho hum It appears that selling caravans to the rest of Europe is OK but the other member countries do not accept home built kit cars clearly demonstrating a them and us approach. They used to call it a common market.
Stuart Mills said:
We do not sell tow bars.
But you're happy to market caravans as 'the perfect accessory for your Exocet', knowing full well that the Exocet cannot legally be equipped to tow anything?
No wonder you're not keen on being part of the community that makes such regulations!
Stuart Mills said:
Exocets can be ordered suitable for fitting E marked Fiesta tow bars.
So you can confirm that the Exocet holds European Whole Vehicle Type Approval, making it suitable for fitting of a towbar in accordance with the EU type approval directive 94/20/EC that I quoted above?And that the E-marked Fiesta tow bars have a type approval that lists them as being suitable for fitment to an Exocet, specifically?
Stuart Mills said:
I am more than happy to demonstrate to all our customers how we are perfectly correct and within the law.
So why aren't you prepared to give a straight answer on an internet forum, where lots of potential customers might otherwise find this topic and misinterpret your response as obfuscation?You're not usually shy about using the PistonHeads forum for promotion of your products, so I'm giving you an ideal chance to demonstrate how thoroughly well developed and thought-through they are.
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