Windscreen vs aeroscreen on a kit car
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I don't really want to fork out more money on the car especially when I want to sell it and have no use for the car myself nor anyone else I know, but if those points are what's deterring people then maybe certain things may need altering, certainly I would say with the reflectors as there does appear to be far too many; why my dad placed so many of them in various places I'll never know. Not sure about the tyres, and to be honest I have necer noticed them being mismatched (again I've no idea why they don't match).
That type of aeroscreens do look odd on such a car - i agree they suit a classic like a Morgan, but I suspect the reason why he didn't opt for the ones you have on your Westfield is because he probably felt ther'd be too much turbulence and wind in your face whilst driving it, and besides, due to the size of the Duratec, there was no space for any motor for the wipers, which meant there couldn't be a windscreen fitted. Again why he chose such a large engine that took up that much space, with no room for a wiper motor (from what he said) I've no idea. It was never intended to be driven in bad weather or rain anyway, so wipers and a windscreen and soft top weren't required.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the car was put on a dyno (there is a chart I have, but not sure if it's related to that).
That type of aeroscreens do look odd on such a car - i agree they suit a classic like a Morgan, but I suspect the reason why he didn't opt for the ones you have on your Westfield is because he probably felt ther'd be too much turbulence and wind in your face whilst driving it, and besides, due to the size of the Duratec, there was no space for any motor for the wipers, which meant there couldn't be a windscreen fitted. Again why he chose such a large engine that took up that much space, with no room for a wiper motor (from what he said) I've no idea. It was never intended to be driven in bad weather or rain anyway, so wipers and a windscreen and soft top weren't required.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the car was put on a dyno (there is a chart I have, but not sure if it's related to that).
Edited by Jukebag on Tuesday 3rd July 20:13
Edited by Jukebag on Tuesday 3rd July 20:20
Everything you say about the car is fine and makes sense but unfortunately you're appealing to a limited number of people in an already limited market for a vehicle that's fairly seasonal.
I guess you can just keep it advertised at the same price for as long as it takes to find the right buyer or stick it on eBay with no reserve and sell it for whatever the market says it's worth.
I guess you can just keep it advertised at the same price for as long as it takes to find the right buyer or stick it on eBay with no reserve and sell it for whatever the market says it's worth.
Nowt wrong with an aeroscreen and no wipers - you'll get buffeting in any Seven replica, regardless of whether you have a full screen, aero screen or no screen at all - its a "feature"
The aeroscreens on your just look a bit "vintage" - like they've come off a Morgan three wheeler or a Bugatti Type 59
The Westfield style aero screen can be had for around £100 (or about £125 in carbon - yum...)
|https://thumbsnap.com/GfUVRAGa[/url]
http://www.kitcardirect.co.uk/westfield-double-bub...
The aeroscreens on your just look a bit "vintage" - like they've come off a Morgan three wheeler or a Bugatti Type 59
The Westfield style aero screen can be had for around £100 (or about £125 in carbon - yum...)
|https://thumbsnap.com/GfUVRAGa[/url]http://www.kitcardirect.co.uk/westfield-double-bub...
OP - I feel your pain. How about adding up the sums required for the 'modifications' and subtracting that from the asking price, on the basis of at least not having to spend out time/money on them? As a starting 'advertising correction' (not meant as a criticism) price at 4995 looks a lot less than 5000 - I know it's only a fiver, but it just looks a lot less to a buyer.
I don't understand why buyers prefer 'factory built' cars, as most amateur builders (especially ones of advancing age) have lots of experience (and more time than a factory) to create a very good car.
I don't understand why buyers prefer 'factory built' cars, as most amateur builders (especially ones of advancing age) have lots of experience (and more time than a factory) to create a very good car.
The tyres not matching is probably because at some point one needed replacing and a replacement tyre was fitted but not one that matched. Whether these were hard to source tyres I don't know, but its odd they weren't matching. Some of the older pics I have show all round matching tyres on the car. I've no idea where the original matching tyres came from. I could replace the arches with the ones mentioned, but it take a lot of faffing about trying to remove the ones already on. They'll be tightly sealed on in some way, probably leaving a mark underneath.
Fastpedeller said:
OP - I feel your pain. How about adding up the sums required for the 'modifications' and subtracting that from the asking price, on the basis of at least not having to spend out time/money on them? As a starting 'advertising correction' (not meant as a criticism) price at 4995 looks a lot less than 5000.
This!Another point is where have you advertised it? Have you tried on the Tiger Owner's Club, maybe Locostbuilders?
Personally, I'd give it a go on eBay as a classified, rather than Car and Classic - I don't like that site, but I guess that's just my opinion.
It certainly seems like whoever buys the car would probably want to spend money on it to make it their own, so maybe just biting the bullet and reducing your price a little will do the trick?
Unfortunately if there is no interest then it is at the wrong price, you are probably in between the price for a buy it and drive it car and a needs work to make it drivable car. As a buyer I would be wondering if any money I needed to spend would have any effect on what the car was worth.
Apart from the above of working out the costs of mods, buyers will be doing this and if they can buy a car with it all done by spending the same that is what they will do, have a think about the cost an hassle to you of the car just sitting there, time on the MOT is now ticking. Might be worth dropping to £4495 to get interest, but be reasonably firm on offers, price reductions have to be for stuff they can point out that needs fixing that you haven't mentioned in the advert etc.
If you at least get some interest you can gauge what you might actually be able to get for the car, remember you do not have to accept an offer if you don't want to.
Apart from the above of working out the costs of mods, buyers will be doing this and if they can buy a car with it all done by spending the same that is what they will do, have a think about the cost an hassle to you of the car just sitting there, time on the MOT is now ticking. Might be worth dropping to £4495 to get interest, but be reasonably firm on offers, price reductions have to be for stuff they can point out that needs fixing that you haven't mentioned in the advert etc.
If you at least get some interest you can gauge what you might actually be able to get for the car, remember you do not have to accept an offer if you don't want to.
Thanks for the advice, it's very much appreciated
. I guess you're right about the price that's putting people off. I have thought about lowering a little, maybe a couple of hundred. When people say to me "you'll only get about 2 grand for that", it doesn't help matters and makes me think they know more about its worth than I do, which they probably don't.
I have the car advertised on the Tiger Owners Club website, had one (I think) email enqury from someone not too far away, but when I sent them a few requested photos and info about advisories, I never heard anything back. A chap from overseas, whom seemed interested in the car, was due to come and view it, but had to cancel at the last minute.
Regarding those smaller aeroscreens that you say would look better than the classic looking ones, but I do recall the Tiger having those fitted when the car had been fully built but wasn't at that stage on the road. Why they were changed for the type it has on now I don't know, only that maybe they don't look right or that they limited visibility. Where they are now I haven't the foggiest, they could've been swapped or could still be lying around in the garage.
. I guess you're right about the price that's putting people off. I have thought about lowering a little, maybe a couple of hundred. When people say to me "you'll only get about 2 grand for that", it doesn't help matters and makes me think they know more about its worth than I do, which they probably don't. I have the car advertised on the Tiger Owners Club website, had one (I think) email enqury from someone not too far away, but when I sent them a few requested photos and info about advisories, I never heard anything back. A chap from overseas, whom seemed interested in the car, was due to come and view it, but had to cancel at the last minute.
Regarding those smaller aeroscreens that you say would look better than the classic looking ones, but I do recall the Tiger having those fitted when the car had been fully built but wasn't at that stage on the road. Why they were changed for the type it has on now I don't know, only that maybe they don't look right or that they limited visibility. Where they are now I haven't the foggiest, they could've been swapped or could still be lying around in the garage.
Jukebag said:
Thanks for the advice, it's very much appreciated. I guess you're right about the price that's putting people off. I have thought about lowering a little, maybe a couple of hundred. When people say to me "you'll only get about 2 grand for that", it doesn't help matters and makes me think they know more about its worth than I do, which they probably don't.
I have the car advertised on the Tiger Owners Club website, had one (I think) email enqury from someone not too far away, but when I sent them a few requested photos and info about advisories, I never heard anything back. A chap from overseas, whom seemed interested in the car, was due to come and view it, but had to cancel at the last minute.
Regarding those smaller aeroscreens that you say would look better than the classic looking ones, but I do recall the Tiger having those fitted when the car had been fully built but wasn't at that stage on the road. Why they were changed for the type it has on now I don't know, only that maybe they don't look right or that they limited visibility. Where they are now I haven't the foggiest, they could've been swapped or could still be lying around in the garage.
What are the advisories, OP? Are they things that will also cost the new owner a few £££s to sort out? All stuff to be considered .... I guess you're right about the price that's putting people off. I have thought about lowering a little, maybe a couple of hundred. When people say to me "you'll only get about 2 grand for that", it doesn't help matters and makes me think they know more about its worth than I do, which they probably don't. I have the car advertised on the Tiger Owners Club website, had one (I think) email enqury from someone not too far away, but when I sent them a few requested photos and info about advisories, I never heard anything back. A chap from overseas, whom seemed interested in the car, was due to come and view it, but had to cancel at the last minute.
Regarding those smaller aeroscreens that you say would look better than the classic looking ones, but I do recall the Tiger having those fitted when the car had been fully built but wasn't at that stage on the road. Why they were changed for the type it has on now I don't know, only that maybe they don't look right or that they limited visibility. Where they are now I haven't the foggiest, they could've been swapped or could still be lying around in the garage.
You're right about it being a mismatch of old styling and it being modern with the bonnet hump. Why it was made that way I haven't the foggiest, only that maybe he wanted it to look different and stand out from the crowd. The indicator lights above the wheel arches remind of ones off a VW Beetle, and so imo they don't don't suit the car. I've no idea where the various parts, lights, aeroscreen, etc came from, but I presume from Car Builder Solutions, etc.
The advisories are;
Play in steering rack inner joint
Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened Front (nearside offside)
The advisories are;
Play in steering rack inner joint
Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened Front (nearside offside)
Jukebag said:
You're right about it being a mismatch of old styling and it being modern with the bonnet hump. Why it was made that way I haven't the foggiest, only that maybe he wanted it to look different and stand out from the crowd. The indicator lights above the wheel arches remind of ones off a VW Beetle, and so imo they don't don't suit the car. I've no idea where the various parts, lights, aeroscreen, etc came from, but I presume from Car Builder Solutions, etc.
The advisories are;
Play in steering rack inner joint
Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened Front (nearside offside)
So (at worst) a new steering rack c £60, and a new pair of discs (similar£) so not a deal breaker for someone who like the car The advisories are;
Play in steering rack inner joint
Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened Front (nearside offside)
I have lowered the price, but I've still had barely any responses just the odd "is the car still for sale?" message and nothing back after replying yes.. Strange. I had more enquiries about the car months ago when the car had no MOT, now an MOT and in the middle of a baking heatwave and ditto.
When I first advertised it I tried a few kit car dealers, but I was put off when they said the best they could offer, max, was 3 grand.
I would change some of the things suggested, but people I know like family, partner and friends advised me not to as I'll be losing out and won't make much back.
If there's anything that's putting people off it it's the lack of a removable hood and full windscreen, I would say..
When I first advertised it I tried a few kit car dealers, but I was put off when they said the best they could offer, max, was 3 grand.
I would change some of the things suggested, but people I know like family, partner and friends advised me not to as I'll be losing out and won't make much back.
If there's anything that's putting people off it it's the lack of a removable hood and full windscreen, I would say..
Cars that have been fore sale for a long time become locked in a vicious circle: they haven't sold, therefore they must be overpriced and/or poor quality, therefore they aren't worth looking at, therefore they don't sell.
There are only a handful of serious buyers around at any given time, and most will have been looking for long enough before being ready to commit to purchase that they will be aware of any cars that have been hanging around on the market for a while.
There are only a handful of serious buyers around at any given time, and most will have been looking for long enough before being ready to commit to purchase that they will be aware of any cars that have been hanging around on the market for a while.
If the car is on the road MOT'd, taxed and insured then why not drive it? Put a for sale sign, price plus contact numbers (print some flyers) and take it to few car events. (Breakfast Clubs & the like). You'll get tons of 'advice' and a fair few bullsiters (insert the letter 'h' where appropriate)
Would a sports car / kit car garage be interested in selling your car on commission? There are lots of classic/sports/ -( even kit car dealers) advertising in classic car mags might be able to help.
Other than that there is always the auction route.
Whatever you decide to do I'd be inclined to try ASAP - open cars are usually an easier sale when the sun shines (obviously).
From what I've seen of your kit (from the advert) it looks fine. I take the point about 'old fashioned' aeroscreens but that is the sort of thing that a potential buyer should be able to source themselves and knock a few quid off your asking price (at least thats what Mike Brewer does!)
Would a sports car / kit car garage be interested in selling your car on commission? There are lots of classic/sports/ -( even kit car dealers) advertising in classic car mags might be able to help.
Other than that there is always the auction route.
Whatever you decide to do I'd be inclined to try ASAP - open cars are usually an easier sale when the sun shines (obviously).
From what I've seen of your kit (from the advert) it looks fine. I take the point about 'old fashioned' aeroscreens but that is the sort of thing that a potential buyer should be able to source themselves and knock a few quid off your asking price (at least thats what Mike Brewer does!)
I dunno what anyone else thinks, but this really caught my eye. I think the colour is great, and I'm surprised there aren't many other kit cars of this type with the same colour. If I could change the Tiger to any colour, this would probably be the one.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Westfield-SE-1-6-X-Flow...
I was browsing on the car builder solutions website and was amazed how cheap some obf the stuff is on there: wings mirrors seals, seat belts and other parts and accessories for not a lot of money. Gear lever gaitors for about a tenner; compare those prices for any classic car like an E-Type (about 50 quid). No wonder there are lots of these types of kits about.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Westfield-SE-1-6-X-Flow...
I was browsing on the car builder solutions website and was amazed how cheap some obf the stuff is on there: wings mirrors seals, seat belts and other parts and accessories for not a lot of money. Gear lever gaitors for about a tenner; compare those prices for any classic car like an E-Type (about 50 quid). No wonder there are lots of these types of kits about.
Jukebag said:
Can anyone tell me what is so bad about having a Q plate on a kit car?. I read kit car ads where the seller states things like "downsides: it has a Q plafe". So what?. So I'm gonna let a perfectly good running kit car go for pretty much nothing because the Q place is a turn off?.
Personally, a Q plate wouldn't bother me, but like Jim said above, it will put off some people. Newcomers to kits might not know about Q plates and might consider it to mean there is something dodgy about the car (I know it doesn't, but some might think so.)Some kit enthusiasts might not like them because it gives away the fact that it's a kit - shouldn't really be an issue with a Tiger IMHO.
The only tangible downside from my point of view is that the Q plate cannot be changed - the car is stuck with it until it is scrapped. With an age related plate, you retain the option to swap it for a personalised number as long as you don't make the car appear younger than it actually is. Again this would not bother me in the slightest.
I take your point above. I think the reason some are put off by the Q plate solely because it gives away that the car is a kit car, IMO, is just silly but correct as I'm sure people don't like that idea, but that shows they're really just pretenders who want to fool people into thinking (in this case) they've got a 30 grand Lotus 7 or Caterham, when really they've got a kit cat that cost em a few grand to build.
As for the other reasons, well considering the majority of kit cars like that have a Q plate, and even other kits of classics that are available, I don't see why it would be off putting if they think there's something wrong with it. After all, they have to go through the IVA test to make them road legal.
I have spent a few hundred on the car recently, so spending more on those "needed" alternations would be pointless.
As for the other reasons, well considering the majority of kit cars like that have a Q plate, and even other kits of classics that are available, I don't see why it would be off putting if they think there's something wrong with it. After all, they have to go through the IVA test to make them road legal.
I have spent a few hundred on the car recently, so spending more on those "needed" alternations would be pointless.
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