IVA test in the future
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Hello! Im from Portugal and im starting my Lamborghini Huracán replica.
Im going to register it in the UK because in Portugal is impossible.
Im using custom chassis and im starting from 0, but my idea is to use real huracán engine in the future.
Is it possible to register it as a real huracán using the real engine and if I use, for example, the front chassis frame of a real huracán? What can I do to register it as a real Lamborghini?
Is it possible to do my own custom headlights and rear lights instead of using OEM?
I think my project will be finished in 1.5 or 2 years, is there any rumour about the laws of custom cars in the uk changing? because it would be devastating for me if I finished the project and I cant register it properly.
Thanks.
Im going to register it in the UK because in Portugal is impossible.
Im using custom chassis and im starting from 0, but my idea is to use real huracán engine in the future.
Is it possible to register it as a real huracán using the real engine and if I use, for example, the front chassis frame of a real huracán? What can I do to register it as a real Lamborghini?
Is it possible to do my own custom headlights and rear lights instead of using OEM?
I think my project will be finished in 1.5 or 2 years, is there any rumour about the laws of custom cars in the uk changing? because it would be devastating for me if I finished the project and I cant register it properly.
Thanks.
Best of luck with your project.
Back in the old days, kit car rules were basically very simple: You needed an MOT and that was it.
(An MOT test is a basic, annual vehicle safety test carried out on 3 year old+ vehicles.)
The IVA is far, far more complicated. The requirements can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-man...
The (slightly dubious) workaround is to build a standard kit car to IVA rules and then modify it. So use OEM lights for the test, then change them to your own design later.
There is video for a kit car called the Tipo 184 which actually promotes some rather creative workarounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RqYrOkszA This might be of interest.
If you are buying an actual kit then the manufacturer should of course be able to help on advise re IVA
I'm afraid you probably wouldn't allow you to register the car as a Lamborghini. The company would object big time.
Back in the old days, kit car rules were basically very simple: You needed an MOT and that was it.
(An MOT test is a basic, annual vehicle safety test carried out on 3 year old+ vehicles.)
The IVA is far, far more complicated. The requirements can be found here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-man...
The (slightly dubious) workaround is to build a standard kit car to IVA rules and then modify it. So use OEM lights for the test, then change them to your own design later.
There is video for a kit car called the Tipo 184 which actually promotes some rather creative workarounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RqYrOkszA This might be of interest.
If you are buying an actual kit then the manufacturer should of course be able to help on advise re IVA
I'm afraid you probably wouldn't allow you to register the car as a Lamborghini. The company would object big time.
alfaspecial said:
Best of luck with your project.
Back in the old days, kit car rules were basically very simple: You needed an MOT and that was it.
(An MOT test is a basic, annual vehicle safety test carried out on 3 year old+ vehicles.)
The IVA is far, far more complicated. The requirements can be found here:
The (slightly dubious) workaround is to build a standard kit car to IVA rules and then modify it. So use OEM lights for the test, then change them to your own design later.
There is video for a kit car called the Tipo 184 which actually promotes some rather creative workarounds.
This might be of interest.
If you are buying an actual kit then the manufacturer should of course be able to help on advise re IVA
I'm afraid you probably wouldn't allow you to register the car as a Lamborghini. The company would object big time.
Thanks, i guess I will have to adapt some oem lights from other car to the huracán design to pass the IVA test.Back in the old days, kit car rules were basically very simple: You needed an MOT and that was it.
(An MOT test is a basic, annual vehicle safety test carried out on 3 year old+ vehicles.)
The IVA is far, far more complicated. The requirements can be found here:
The (slightly dubious) workaround is to build a standard kit car to IVA rules and then modify it. So use OEM lights for the test, then change them to your own design later.
There is video for a kit car called the Tipo 184 which actually promotes some rather creative workarounds.
This might be of interest.
If you are buying an actual kit then the manufacturer should of course be able to help on advise re IVA
I'm afraid you probably wouldn't allow you to register the car as a Lamborghini. The company would object big time.
The chassis will be completely custom made by me, no donor, Im taking photos of every move I do with it so I can get the custom VIN (I still dont know how to request it?)
lotinsect said:
Thanks, i guess I will have to adapt some oem lights from other car to the huracán design to pass the IVA test.
The chassis will be completely custom made by me, no donor, Im taking photos of every move I do with it so I can get the custom VIN (I still dont know how to request it?)
I can't offer you any specific legal advice re the IVA.The chassis will be completely custom made by me, no donor, Im taking photos of every move I do with it so I can get the custom VIN (I still dont know how to request it?)
A Polish poster on this site has made a one off car and, like you, chose to register it in the UK
This is his thread https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
And the car
He was concerned about the legal requirements for an IVA and was given the following advice by a poster, C-Beams glitter
Quote C-Beams glitter Tuesday 2nd May
[i] you are looking to get Kozmo past an IVA test, in case it helps:
For a DIY build, you need to invent a manufacturer name. I made one up, but you can simply use your own name. Just make sure it cannot be mistaken for any current or past manufacturer!
You also need a VIN. Again, be careful with this. This can be made up by you but it has to be unique and does have to follow certain rules and you also have to jump some hoops as regards applying it to the vehicle. The safest option I think is to write to DVSA and ask them to issue one for you. They will also send you a letter that you need to complete - this is a declaration that the number they gave you has been properly applied to the vehicle. They require a stamp and signature from 'a qualified agent' for this. I just got my local friendly garage to do the honours. This form then gets sent back to DVSA to close that loop. This step seems somewhat daft given that the very first thing the IVA inspector looks at is the VIN and you'd think that would be good enough.....but always remember, there are different departments doing different jobs here so don't expect it to make much sense!! We just have to jump those hoops, like it or not.
Other info needed for the data plate is vehicle gross weight, towing capacity (or put N/A if not applicable) then the front and rear maximum axle weights. Adding the two axle weights together can be more than the gross vehicle weight, but not less. Makes sense - if the GVW was greater than both axle weights added together, it's saying the axles aren't up to the job. The other way round is fine - it just means that the axles can carry more than required. Again, be careful if you decide to make axle weights more than GVW as these feed into the brake test.
Again, some care is needed with these as they are used for the brake test so the values you use need to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just put massive numbers down as that would likely generate a fail on the brake test, and you can't go too low because the vehicle will be weighed and must not exceed the values you give.
Given your car is complete, probably safest to actually weigh it then add a margin for safety (say 10%-15%). Bearing in mind that the test will demand the vehicle is fully fuelled and they make an allowance for luggage (if it has luggage capacity) and passengers when assessing, the gross and axle weights.
Ultimately, if these values cause problems, you can have the data changed for a re-test, just ring the DVSA to book a re-test and ask them to change the data at the same time. Ask me how I know.....
A word of warning on brakes, an MOT test has lower standards for the brake efficiency test than the IVA and does not measure brake pedal force. My build passed a pre-IVA MOT brake test easily but failed the IVA brake test due to insufficient braking for specified pedal force. It was a fair cop as the pedal was like pressing a chunk of wood. The brakes did lock, but they did not inspire confidence. Even if it had passed the test, I'd have modified them ASAP as they felt dangerous.[/i]
lotinsect said:
Im taking photos of every move I do with it so I can get the custom VIN (I still dont know how to request it?)
You can write to or email the DVLA to request a VIN.See here
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration-schemes-fo...
lotinsect said:
BertBert said:
I'm truly going that it is impossible to register a home built kit as a real Huracan. What on earth are you thinking?
I have seen lots and lots of Murcielagos and Diablos registered as real Lamborghinis. Thats why I have that question.alfaspecial said:
I can't offer you any specific legal advice re the IVA.
A Polish poster on this site has made a one off car and, like you, chose to register it in the UK
This is his thread
And the car
He was concerned about the legal requirements for an IVA and was given the following advice by a poster, C-Beams glitter
Quote C-Beams glitter Tuesday 2nd May
[i] you are looking to get Kozmo past an IVA test, in case it helps:
For a DIY build, you need to invent a manufacturer name. I made one up, but you can simply use your own name. Just make sure it cannot be mistaken for any current or past manufacturer!
You also need a VIN. Again, be careful with this. This can be made up by you but it has to be unique and does have to follow certain rules and you also have to jump some hoops as regards applying it to the vehicle. The safest option I think is to write to DVSA and ask them to issue one for you. They will also send you a letter that you need to complete - this is a declaration that the number they gave you has been properly applied to the vehicle. They require a stamp and signature from 'a qualified agent' for this. I just got my local friendly garage to do the honours. This form then gets sent back to DVSA to close that loop. This step seems somewhat daft given that the very first thing the IVA inspector looks at is the VIN and you'd think that would be good enough.....but always remember, there are different departments doing different jobs here so don't expect it to make much sense!! We just have to jump those hoops, like it or not.
Other info needed for the data plate is vehicle gross weight, towing capacity (or put N/A if not applicable) then the front and rear maximum axle weights. Adding the two axle weights together can be more than the gross vehicle weight, but not less. Makes sense - if the GVW was greater than both axle weights added together, it's saying the axles aren't up to the job. The other way round is fine - it just means that the axles can carry more than required. Again, be careful if you decide to make axle weights more than GVW as these feed into the brake test.
Again, some care is needed with these as they are used for the brake test so the values you use need to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just put massive numbers down as that would likely generate a fail on the brake test, and you can't go too low because the vehicle will be weighed and must not exceed the values you give.
Given your car is complete, probably safest to actually weigh it then add a margin for safety (say 10%-15%). Bearing in mind that the test will demand the vehicle is fully fuelled and they make an allowance for luggage (if it has luggage capacity) and passengers when assessing, the gross and axle weights.
Ultimately, if these values cause problems, you can have the data changed for a re-test, just ring the DVSA to book a re-test and ask them to change the data at the same time. Ask me how I know.....
A word of warning on brakes, an MOT test has lower standards for the brake efficiency test than the IVA and does not measure brake pedal force. My build passed a pre-IVA MOT brake test easily but failed the IVA brake test due to insufficient braking for specified pedal force. It was a fair cop as the pedal was like pressing a chunk of wood. The brakes did lock, but they did not inspire confidence. Even if it had passed the test, I'd have modified them ASAP as they felt dangerous.[/i]
Thanks!!! Thats very helpful.A Polish poster on this site has made a one off car and, like you, chose to register it in the UK
This is his thread
And the car
He was concerned about the legal requirements for an IVA and was given the following advice by a poster, C-Beams glitter
Quote C-Beams glitter Tuesday 2nd May
[i] you are looking to get Kozmo past an IVA test, in case it helps:
For a DIY build, you need to invent a manufacturer name. I made one up, but you can simply use your own name. Just make sure it cannot be mistaken for any current or past manufacturer!
You also need a VIN. Again, be careful with this. This can be made up by you but it has to be unique and does have to follow certain rules and you also have to jump some hoops as regards applying it to the vehicle. The safest option I think is to write to DVSA and ask them to issue one for you. They will also send you a letter that you need to complete - this is a declaration that the number they gave you has been properly applied to the vehicle. They require a stamp and signature from 'a qualified agent' for this. I just got my local friendly garage to do the honours. This form then gets sent back to DVSA to close that loop. This step seems somewhat daft given that the very first thing the IVA inspector looks at is the VIN and you'd think that would be good enough.....but always remember, there are different departments doing different jobs here so don't expect it to make much sense!! We just have to jump those hoops, like it or not.
Other info needed for the data plate is vehicle gross weight, towing capacity (or put N/A if not applicable) then the front and rear maximum axle weights. Adding the two axle weights together can be more than the gross vehicle weight, but not less. Makes sense - if the GVW was greater than both axle weights added together, it's saying the axles aren't up to the job. The other way round is fine - it just means that the axles can carry more than required. Again, be careful if you decide to make axle weights more than GVW as these feed into the brake test.
Again, some care is needed with these as they are used for the brake test so the values you use need to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just put massive numbers down as that would likely generate a fail on the brake test, and you can't go too low because the vehicle will be weighed and must not exceed the values you give.
Given your car is complete, probably safest to actually weigh it then add a margin for safety (say 10%-15%). Bearing in mind that the test will demand the vehicle is fully fuelled and they make an allowance for luggage (if it has luggage capacity) and passengers when assessing, the gross and axle weights.
Ultimately, if these values cause problems, you can have the data changed for a re-test, just ring the DVSA to book a re-test and ask them to change the data at the same time. Ask me how I know.....
A word of warning on brakes, an MOT test has lower standards for the brake efficiency test than the IVA and does not measure brake pedal force. My build passed a pre-IVA MOT brake test easily but failed the IVA brake test due to insufficient braking for specified pedal force. It was a fair cop as the pedal was like pressing a chunk of wood. The brakes did lock, but they did not inspire confidence. Even if it had passed the test, I'd have modified them ASAP as they felt dangerous.[/i]
BertBert said:
Is that in the UK? I still hope you can't.
Yes! in the uk, I would share some photos and plates but im not sure if I should do that without asking the owners.Theres one Murcielago in particular painted in Orange that is using MR2 base with modded chassis and its registered as a real Lamborghini Murcielago. I also have photos of another one in white and of a few Lamborghini diablos. All of them registered as real Lamborghinis without using a single OEM part of the chassis or engine.
Skyedriver said:
Unlikely, would imagine Lamborghini would be rather upset and take action.
Anyway, I call custard.
I have photos of some of those, but I shouldn't post them here without asking the owners.Anyway, I call custard.
I dont know how they did that.
I tried to ask one of the owners but he just told me that he bought it already registered and that he didnt know how the previous owner did that.
Skyedriver said:
lotinsect said:
I have seen lots and lots of Murcielagos and Diablos registered as real Lamborghinis. Thats why I have that question.
Unlikely, would imagine Lamborghini would be rather upset and take action.Anyway, I call custard.
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I'm surprised too, I must admit, but there you go...
Equus said:
Say: 'Birds':
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I'm surprised too, I must admit, but there you go...
Birds indeed, as of tomorrow, my Volvo is for sale as a Ferrari, the Boxster as a Gemini spacecraft and the Gilbern as a, oh I don't know, a Gilbern.[/url]
I'm surprised too, I must admit, but there you go...
There's fake and there's fake. Surely Lambo themselves must know and be chasing these fakes.
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