KITCAR DESIGN sketches/concepts year 2008-10
Discussion
GTRene said:
I like this one Italo...looks good, classic and chunky and muscular...nice.
GTRene
On a serious note, would you buy thys type of kit ?, a bolt-on rebody for an mx5 ? would like to have some feedback on this niche.
What do You think of original design rebodies?
Edited by fuoriserie on Monday 25th June 09:41
Furioserie - I've had an idea for that nicely-trimmed GT.
You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
What about bonding a Cobra windscreen and roof to fit the K3S, perhaps adding some wind-up windows into the mix as well?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
Also, ask any enthusiast and they'll tell you they'd love an Aston Martin, but the classic DBs are too expensive, thirsty and nightmarish to run. The WAM K3S does everything a classic Aston does, but at the moment it's only available with no roof, no hood and a fly screen instead of a windscreen.
You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
What about bonding a Cobra windscreen and roof to fit the K3S, perhaps adding some wind-up windows into the mix as well?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
Also, ask any enthusiast and they'll tell you they'd love an Aston Martin, but the classic DBs are too expensive, thirsty and nightmarish to run. The WAM K3S does everything a classic Aston does, but at the moment it's only available with no roof, no hood and a fly screen instead of a windscreen.
Twincam16 said:
Furioserie - I've had an idea for that nicely-trimmed GT.
You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
.
Do you see it as a new redesign based on Bmw mechanicals, or just a replica design of the DB3 S coupe, but based on the WAM ? wasn't the Wam a prototype?, do they have a website I can visit ?You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
.
I've never seen the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe, but if you have pictures of it, please post them here.
Bmw mechanicals could work nicely for a more upmarket coupe, and a good way to recycle all those 320 rusting about........
Marlin is doing a nice job with its roadster !, maybe you could consider their platform
fuoriserie said:
Twincam16 said:
Furioserie - I've had an idea for that nicely-trimmed GT.
You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
.
Do you see it as a new redesign based on Bmw mechanicals, or just a replica design of the DB3 S coupe, but based on the WAM ? wasn't the Wam a prototype?, do they have a website I can visit ?You seen the WAM K3S (a gorgeous BMW-based Aston Martin DB3S replica)?
Something along the lines of the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe. Lined in leather with a couple of bags shaped to fit the sloping boot.
It would make a truly beautiful touring car, reliable, relatively economical and as robust as any production car.
.
I've never seen the Jean Bloxham DB3S Coupe, but if you have pictures of it, please post them here.
Bmw mechanicals could work nicely for a more upmarket coupe, and a good way to recycle all those 320 rusting about........
Marlin is doing a nice job with its roadster !, maybe you could consider their platform
This is the DB3S, which WAM replicate:
This is the one-off coupe version:
Twincam16 said:
WAM don't have a website, they build to order at £35k a pop, or you can build your own for around £18k.
This is the DB3S, which WAM replicate:
This is the one-off coupe version:
I remember the car now.....but do you want an exact replica design with a few design alterations?, or a new design influenced by it?This is the DB3S, which WAM replicate:
This is the one-off coupe version:
Have you ever seen this db4 zagato barchetta? I think it looks great.......
Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 27th June 20:48
The body buck for the Veeteor is now finished, all smooth and ready for the mould to be taken from it.
The mould will be taken in one go, then cut into sections and detailed so that the actual bodywork can be produced in 2 or 3 separate pieces. Aiming for December 2007 for the first set of bodywork, production 2008?
I'm really pleased with the rear lights and the side detail now that it's done.
The mould will be taken in one go, then cut into sections and detailed so that the actual bodywork can be produced in 2 or 3 separate pieces. Aiming for December 2007 for the first set of bodywork, production 2008?
I'm really pleased with the rear lights and the side detail now that it's done.
Midas said:
How about a wider version of the Midas mk2 updated to take the Fiesta running gear and have a look of the RS concept only lower and more sporty, perhaps what a modern day Puma might look like?
You've hit on my favourite Midas design, and the idea is very intriguing..........but do you see a market for such a kit ?Nice idea....
Thanks, I think there is a market, an almost one donor car kit to create a distinctive economical practical little sports car, based on a readily available donor car that also happens to have all the mod cons that drivers today have come to expect.
A full kit price of around £4500 and the donor car for around £1500.
A full kit price of around £4500 and the donor car for around £1500.
Midas said:
Thanks, I think there is a market, an almost one donor car kit to create a distinctive economical practical little sports car, based on a readily available donor car that also happens to have all the mod cons that drivers today have come to expect.
A full kit price of around £4500 and the donor car for around £1500.
This is the exact niche of the Stingray Jester, check their price list in the link:A full kit price of around £4500 and the donor car for around £1500.
http://www.stingraymotorsport.com/jester.htm
and it's a single donor Ford Ka's instead of the fiesta .
This topic has been discussed before, maybe 3yrs ago..., but times are changing, and something similar could fly again .
Cheers
Italo
Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 2nd January 19:51
Hi Italo,
That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
Midas said:
Hi Italo,
That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
I can see where yiu are coming from with your thinking, but manufacturing well designed kits, at a competitive price, and still making a little profit, is really difficult with most kits these days.
The more complicated and labour intensive to manufacture the kits are, the harder the sell to the potential buyers.
That is why many manufacturers are looking into designing Ariel Atom clones, because it's cheaper to design a steel chassis, and cover it with a few fiberglass shells, and you don't even need door, hinges and all those difficult things to make work right, for a small kitcar manufacturer.
Check this very good lengthy post:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
and search for the 3000-4000 kitcar design thread.
Both will give you pretty much an overview of the thinking on this niche market.I still think the concept is valid, a small and inexpensive fwd coupe, but Im pretty much alone with this thinking......
Cheers
Italo
Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 2nd January 20:55
This picture reminds me of a house I walked past when on holiday in Cornwall a few years ago, I was out walking near St Hilary at the time I think, only ever been to Cornwall the once.
I could of course be a million miles out, it just looks familiar
I think the church is close by too
I could of course be a million miles out, it just looks familiar
I think the church is close by too
Edited by Midas on Thursday 3rd January 18:08
fuoriserie said:
Midas said:
Hi Italo,
That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,That is just a typical summer toy kit car, I guess around 80% of kit cars produced are just as impractical.
To my mind most of the open kits made are even less practical than my motorbike, certainly not what I want from my kit car, but it would seem my thinking goes against what most people are looking for in a kit car.
Or could it be that they only buy impractical open cars because all of the other kit-cars with a roof are either dead boring or expensive and compliciated?
Perhaps there are a lot of potential kit-car buyers out there just waiting for such a car to come along?
Stuart
I can see where yiu are coming from with your thinking, but manufacturing well designed kits, at a competitive price, and still making a little profit, is really difficult with most kits these days.
The more complicated and labour intensive to manufacture the kits are, the harder the sell to the potential buyers.
That is why many manufacturers are looking into designing Ariel Atom clones, because it's cheaper to design a steel chassis, and cover it with a few fiberglass shells, and you don't even need door, hinges and all those difficult things to make work right, for a small kitcar manufacturer.
Check this very good lengthy post:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
and search for the 3000-4000 kitcar design thread.
Both will give you pretty much an overview of the thinking on this niche market.I still think the concept is valid, a small and inexpensive fwd coupe, but Im pretty much alone with this thinking......
Cheers
Italo
Front wheel drive sportscar
An Elan M100 or, if it were made, a fwd only Murtaya fit this discription
Mid engined sportscar
GTM Libra for example, plenty of this type around
Or... a concept that seems to have been forgotten by the kit car industry...
Use as much of the donor car as possible except that you fit a subframe and bonnet to the front to take a longitudinal engine and fit a transmission tunnel and rear diff. Or just use the cabin with a completely new front and rear section bolted on. This means that a lot of the tricky bits such as doors, trim and instruments are carried over in a ready made format.
This can work. MG managed to convert the ZT to RWD for their 260 model, Ginetta used the doors and widscreen from the original fiesta for their G32, Ford used the doors and windscreen of the Sierra for the RS200. The Beauford used a mini bodyshell for the doors and windscreen.
The Ginetta, RS200 and Beauford hid their donor cars very well. If you didn't know you probably wouldn't guess.
There must be some modern FWD cars that could have their cabin sections transferred to either a mid engined or front engined RWD kit.
This is probably the cheapest way to do a more everyday car.
I run a kit car as my only car, surely I'm not alone?
The things I want from a kit car are
Individuality
Economy
Freedom from rust
Good safe involving handling
A lot of fun can be had from extracting everything out of a fairly modestly powered car
Two seats and room for luggage/shopping
A roof to keep me warm and dry
Cheap enough to be able to afford to build
The things I want from a kit car are
Individuality
Economy
Freedom from rust
Good safe involving handling
A lot of fun can be had from extracting everything out of a fairly modestly powered car
Two seats and room for luggage/shopping
A roof to keep me warm and dry
Cheap enough to be able to afford to build
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