Ok guys.....opinion time...

Ok guys.....opinion time...

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meerkat

Original Poster:

164 posts

268 months

Tuesday 3rd June 2003
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Thanks Rob, you are right about the rear. It will have some vent/grilles exhaust cutouts etc....even a diffuser if I can fit one in...

Again, good feedback, cheers..

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Tuesday 3rd June 2003
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I have to agree with the general consensus, the front is perfect 10/10 for that. Rear is not bad at all, and will be even better with a few more details to break up the "slabbiness", 9/10. Side view, hmmm...again, not overly happy with the slope down the the front wheel arch (sorry, fender ). I think perhaps if the part between the scuttle and the back of the front wheel arch was somehow "filled in" it would be better. 6/10 for the side. And I think 8/10 overall. I could live with the sides.

AndySA

900 posts

264 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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I think it looks good overall, however as a change from the others here I think the area behind the front wheel looks great. But I don't like the front half of the front fender at all it looks far too heavy. Although I realise that you needed to leave enough space for the lights.

Hope this helps a little bit. Score Front 10/10 Rear 9/10 Sides 7/10.

Andy

Paul V

4,489 posts

278 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Like the front, as has been said the front wheel arch seems to sit a bit too high, are you fitting a screen as the steering wheel seems to be placed half way out of the cockpit, the only other thing is where the cockpit goes forward it looks quite narrow then gets a lot wider further forward, from some angles looks like it has 2 fronts, not sure if I like that or not. I really like the look of those rear lights, as has been said a few grilles etc might break it up a little but really like the overall shape.

Gadgit

971 posts

268 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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As with all build ups for the body work, they tend to be more difficult to make than draw. I have had a look through your site and found better flowing drawings in bodywork 1 than you have produced for the car.I liked the nose style on the original,it looked a bit like the new Farrari Enzo from the front. What made you change from this to a flat bonnet style?

I presume you will put the grills in at the back as on the drawings which look good.

I echo the sentiments concerning the front wings. Ditch them and start again!

Brutal hacking required here to have an even witdth round the front wheel arch all the way. I would consider a round top to the wheel arches rather than the F40 flat top. The main problem here is width and scale, its ok to have the front of the wheel arch continue forward to form the front end provided you offset the size with a pencil thin wing at the top. check out the side of the F40 and you will see what I mean.

Overall ! I think you are very brave to lay yourself open like this, and I take my hat off to you. I also reckon with some more work you can make this car look good.

Finally, It may be worth looking at some TVR bodywork to see how you can use large gaps in the bodywork to your advantage as air flow and contour.

Good luck!

gadgit.

meerkat

Original Poster:

164 posts

268 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Thanks guys for everything so far...very constructive.
Some of it is in agreement, yet some of it clashes...which is what I would have expected I guess..

I'll try to please as many as possible without changing stuff that is already liked...Hmmm?...sounds like an a "blandifying" exercise..

Anyway, to answer a few points:

Mr2Mike - wheel arch is fine..I am English after all..

Paul V - Yes, there will be a small screen...should affect the overall look quite a lot...and yes there are features planned for the rear to break it up..

AndySA - You are right, it is lights that determine the space ahead of the wheel..in reality it is very much minimised....I'll just have see what I can do so that it LOOKS that way....

Gadgit - Bonnet style: Actually this current one can be trimmed to achieve the original concept, the fill in pieces were added because of wet roads and spray, although I like the though of exposing the suspension....a "seven" tribute I guess..
(just gone to view F40) (erm, model that is....I assume everyone has one...)
Ok, I see what you mean....that would be easy, just enlarging the opening..I'd lose my returns, but would easy to do...I'll try it in paintshop first I think....

Everyone - Again thanks...

BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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7/10 I like it, I like the general shape (wont go on about the front, everyone else has already said it). The only thing thats stops it being rated higher IMHO is that its all so sharp. It would be alot of work to do, but if you could smooth out some of the sharp edges it'd be a stunner. All IMHO tho, it probably appeals to everyone else with its sharpness so its probably best to ignore my comment.

meerkat

Original Poster:

164 posts

268 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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BCA, thanks. Funnny thing is I do kind of agree about the sharpness (although the harsh lighting makes it look worse), and it does seem we are in the minority as the sharpness does appeal to most....as you say I don't want to spend time changing something that most like...

Keep 'em coming......

suparuss

61 posts

254 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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howdy meerkat, im currently in the early design stages for a kti project myself so i know how difficult it is, it s hard to get those curves right on the plugs for me and ive been mould making for 5 years now, albeit for cast stone, but the principles are the same. the design looks good to me, but as said the arches "seem" too high, but have you tried what it would look like with bigger wheels? from a concept point of view most car manufacturers will put 18 or 19 inch rims on the cars, check out the attack here for a prime example- www.k1-styling.sk/default2.htm the lights are prolly at a legal hight but it looks good because they are 2 thirds of the hight of the wheels, which are only a couple of inches from the top of the arches.

all in all as the car is now i would give it a 7/10 but i reckon it will loook a lot better with som tweaking.

meerkat

Original Poster:

164 posts

268 months

Wednesday 4th June 2003
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Thanks, I agree about wheels and things....I could hardly have shown it in a worse way really, so the comments so far have been especially pleasing...getting the first prototype is the hard part, making improvements is easy...especially with constructive feedback

Good luck with your project too....it's hard work, but fun...

Sparks

1,217 posts

280 months

Thursday 5th June 2003
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Generally I like it, probably 7/10.
I agree with previous comments about the front (especially the continuing curve of the wing around the wheel). I also think if you put a big radius (well curve) running from the front arch into the wastline, it will help.
Personal taste, but I prefer smoother curves (never been a fan of angular 'wedge' cars), and I think the front is a bit 'slab sided' (the back is fine)
Are you getting feedback from elsewhere? We Brits are a bit fickle, and what we may like probably won't appeal to your target market.

Excellent effort so far, congratulations

HTH

Sparks

dontlift

9,396 posts

259 months

Thursday 5th June 2003
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i like it, but looking at other parts of your site i reckon if you could get more smoothness into it make it more flowing then the shape would work alot better as per one of your pics

Chris_N

1,232 posts

259 months

Thursday 5th June 2003
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I'm really impressed with your website and the project generally. A few comments on the car:

Overall really like it. Head on view is good, though agree with the wheel arch area comments. Rear end is good. I give the angular look the thumbs up, though could that look dated in a couple of years maybe? Not sure.

I'm no car designer but looking at the side view, I wonder if the way the line of the body continues forward to meet the line coming back from the rear of the wheel arch could be improved? It might work better if the wheel arch just continued down and the line coming forward from the rear just stopped where it meets the scuttle. (Hope that makes sense).

Also, would be really interesting to see it with a screen in place, as I think the right screen could really help the looks. Without a screen it looks a bit like the driver might be too exposed and look slightly strange!

Overall scores a 7 from me right now, but that could easily go up with a bit of tweaking!

Good luck.

Chris