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some more info on canopies...
http://www.mecaplex.ch/
and in the news section check the MONOTRACER.....
http://www.mecaplex.ch/
and in the news section check the MONOTRACER.....
fuoriserie said:
some more info on canopies...
http://www.mecaplex.ch/
and in the news section check the MONOTRACER.....
and if they can manufacture a canopy for the monotracer....my canopy proposal would be a doodle for them !http://www.mecaplex.ch/
and in the news section check the MONOTRACER.....
WOW my brain is about to burst trying to take it all in. Thanx for all the links Italo, I am pleased to see eccentricity is not dead.
Canopy wise I guess its OK tooling up for a bespoke screen in Laminated glass but that cost me 5k last time. Thats OK for small volume manufactured products but at this stage my Lithium powered machine is only likely to sell in very small numbers I believe as the cells alone are nearly 4K.
Therefore to build a road legal prototype it would mean serious set up costs that possibly would not be recouperated or we find a suitable screen off the shelf. Any ideas anyone for a single seat curved screen. Regards Stuart
Canopy wise I guess its OK tooling up for a bespoke screen in Laminated glass but that cost me 5k last time. Thats OK for small volume manufactured products but at this stage my Lithium powered machine is only likely to sell in very small numbers I believe as the cells alone are nearly 4K.
Therefore to build a road legal prototype it would mean serious set up costs that possibly would not be recouperated or we find a suitable screen off the shelf. Any ideas anyone for a single seat curved screen. Regards Stuart
fuoriserie said:
I have a set of plans I drew up a couple of year back for something almost identical to the Go-One3 on that site (before I decided to build something a bit bigger!). The last few weeks I've been considering reviving the project and seeing that certainly gives encouragement!When I can dig it back up off the net I'll show you a video of a bicycle powered by nothing more than a radio control helicopter motor and a single rc heli lith pack (I'll be sacrificing my largest E-heli for these if I go ahead!) Going superlight and simple can have distinct advantages.
stig mills said:
WOW my brain is about to burst trying to take it all in. Thanx for all the links Italo, I am pleased to see eccentricity is not dead.
Canopy wise I guess its OK tooling up for a bespoke screen in Laminated glass but that cost me 5k last time. Thats OK for small volume manufactured products but at this stage my Lithium powered machine is only likely to sell in very small numbers I believe as the cells alone are nearly 4K.
Therefore to build a road legal prototype it would mean serious set up costs that possibly would not be recouperated or we find a suitable screen off the shelf. Any ideas anyone for a single seat curved screen. Regards Stuart
The E mark required on windscreens is where it gets costly. To E mark a bespoke screen it costs 12K if the design is dissimilar from any existing screens. If it can be placed in a 'family' of screens then it is possible to avoid paying this fee. I'm not sure what the difinition of windscreen is and when a deflector gets so big that it becomes a screen. I'll have a look at some of my files tomorrow.Canopy wise I guess its OK tooling up for a bespoke screen in Laminated glass but that cost me 5k last time. Thats OK for small volume manufactured products but at this stage my Lithium powered machine is only likely to sell in very small numbers I believe as the cells alone are nearly 4K.
Therefore to build a road legal prototype it would mean serious set up costs that possibly would not be recouperated or we find a suitable screen off the shelf. Any ideas anyone for a single seat curved screen. Regards Stuart
Davi said:
fuoriserie said:
I have a set of plans I drew up a couple of year back for something almost identical to the Go-One3 on that site (before I decided to build something a bit bigger!). The last few weeks I've been considering reviving the project and seeing that certainly gives encouragement!quote]
Looking forward to seeing your design in this thread, It would be very interesting to compare ideas on the same project.
Italo
Just looked at regs for SVA ref screens. E mark not required but must conform to BS857. 200 vehicles per year are permitted to be manufactured as turn key for SVA to apply. That should be plenty then, not wishing to get over ambitious!
Height wise for a screen they take 4 criticle dimensions over 3 angles but basically you need to see over it not through it.
I hope that is some help. I still cant find a small screen off the shelf from another product and I dont think a flat laminated
screen will improve the appearance. We could cut a standard screen down. I have done that before but its not easy as you need to score both sides. Its not thoughened though so it brakes then you waggle it untill the centre layer snaps.
It almost appears that when designing a car on a budget you need to start with the screen. I would refer to throw a quarter of a mill at it. Any backers reading! Regards Stuart
Height wise for a screen they take 4 criticle dimensions over 3 angles but basically you need to see over it not through it.
I hope that is some help. I still cant find a small screen off the shelf from another product and I dont think a flat laminated
screen will improve the appearance. We could cut a standard screen down. I have done that before but its not easy as you need to score both sides. Its not thoughened though so it brakes then you waggle it untill the centre layer snaps.
It almost appears that when designing a car on a budget you need to start with the screen. I would refer to throw a quarter of a mill at it. Any backers reading! Regards Stuart
Edited by stig mills on Thursday 24th January 09:59
Edited by stig mills on Thursday 24th January 10:00
hoopdiddy07 said:
The E mark required on windscreens is where it gets costly. To E mark a bespoke screen it costs 12K if the design is dissimilar from any existing screens. If it can be placed in a 'family' of screens then it is possible to avoid paying this fee. I'm not sure what the difinition of windscreen is and when a deflector gets so big that it becomes a screen. I'll have a look at some of my files tomorrow.
In the course of designing my project car, I contacted a company in Australia, who informed me this is a popular misconception. The company producing the screen is given the E mark approval based on their methods of production, and can apply it to any glasswork they make that using that process. I've been quoted a mere fraction of your figure to produce a special screen - in fact if I supply the mould myself it's less than the cost of a production screen on a per item basis. Only downside is I'd need to order several to make the whole shipping milarke worth while.
Davi said:
hoopdiddy07 said:
The E mark required on windscreens is where it gets costly. To E mark a bespoke screen it costs 12K if the design is dissimilar from any existing screens. If it can be placed in a 'family' of screens then it is possible to avoid paying this fee. I'm not sure what the difinition of windscreen is and when a deflector gets so big that it becomes a screen. I'll have a look at some of my files tomorrow.
In the course of designing my project car, I contacted a company in Australia, who informed me this is a popular misconception. The company producing the screen is given the E mark approval based on their methods of production, and can apply it to any glasswork they make that using that process. I've been quoted a mere fraction of your figure to produce a special screen - in fact if I supply the mould myself it's less than the cost of a production screen on a per item basis. Only downside is I'd need to order several to make the whole shipping milarke worth while.
http://www.taraglass.com/index.html
Edited by fuoriserie on Thursday 24th January 11:03
fuoriserie said:
I agree with you, it all depends on the suplliers, I know they have very competitive prices and quality products, they also supply bespoke windscreens:
http://www.taraglass.com/index.html
That's the one http://www.taraglass.com/index.html
Edited by fuoriserie on Thursday 24th January 11:03
I've been looking for their name in my files for ages!Davi said:
fuoriserie said:
I agree with you, it all depends on the suplliers, I know they have very competitive prices and quality products, they also supply bespoke windscreens:
http://www.taraglass.com/index.html
That's the one http://www.taraglass.com/index.html
Edited by fuoriserie on Thursday 24th January 11:03
I've been looking for their name in my files for ages!Italo
Now then, progress maybe! This machine could be MSVA able.
If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
stig mills said:
Now then, progress maybe! This machine could be MSVA able.
If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
You could have two different product lines, offering different engine options, a pure electric and a hybrid.If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
stig mills said:
Now then, progress maybe! This machine could be MSVA able.
If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
It can be heavier and more powerful and still be msvaible.If this eco car has 3 wheels, max power 4kw, max speed 30mph and unladen weight 270kgs then you can use whatever you like for a screen. I guess taking out the batteries will be allowed to reduce the unladen weight.
Also the vehicle could reach a wider audience, the L plate gang. CBT and off you go, Mum wouldnt worry quite so much as he cant fall off it, all we need is to give him (or her) some street cred by producing a style that appeals to the guys who have just noticed an octave change in their voices.
The more powerful version would be the commuter option although marketing experts would need to voice an opinion as to whether the two would complement each other or clash.
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/vehicletesting/msvafaqs.a...
Heavy Motor Tricycles and Quadricycles. I had no idea the e-marking wasn't needed for those volumes. Thanks for that. My guess is that you could charge more to 25 year old proffesionals than you could to 17 year old rude boys.
Edited by hoopdiddy07 on Friday 25th January 20:30
I,m not confident many kids would have parents willing to throw £4k at a toy for the boy. They would also be less likely to care about the ozone layer maybe. Less than £1k gets a new chinky scoot that screems for them so unless anyone has a more positive vibe on the young set then we should perhaps concentrate on environmentally fiendly congestion charge, fuel and tax disc dodges.
MSVA will apply to the trike but if power/weight/speed is reduced then the 3 wheel moped rule applies and the windscreen issue vanishes. Regards Stuart.
Any ideas for a single seat F1 style trike?
Royalty payments anyone? Let me know what you've got and your idea of a fair deal. No idea how many sales we could be looking at, you too would need to guess on that one.
MSVA will apply to the trike but if power/weight/speed is reduced then the 3 wheel moped rule applies and the windscreen issue vanishes. Regards Stuart.
Any ideas for a single seat F1 style trike?
Royalty payments anyone? Let me know what you've got and your idea of a fair deal. No idea how many sales we could be looking at, you too would need to guess on that one.
stig mills said:
I,m not confident many kids would have parents willing to throw £4k at a toy for the boy. They would also be less likely to care about the ozone layer maybe. Less than £1k gets a new chinky scoot that screems for them so unless anyone has a more positive vibe on the young set then we should perhaps concentrate on environmentally fiendly congestion charge, fuel and tax disc dodges.
MSVA will apply to the trike but if power/weight/speed is reduced then the 3 wheel moped rule applies and the windscreen issue vanishes. Regards Stuart.
Any ideas for a single seat F1 style trike?
Royalty payments anyone? Let me know what you've got and your idea of a fair deal. No idea how many sales we could be looking at, you too would need to guess on that one.
I have managed to design a canopy that has no windscreen or roof yet offers full weather protection. I'm a bit reluctant to post images on here at the moment and would really prefer a one to one meeting. I've spent three years thinking about this and want to ensure that the first public outing is timed well. I may be passing your area late next week if you would like to see some images and discuss partnerships. I will meet with Italo at Stoneliegh to introduce myself and my ideas to him.MSVA will apply to the trike but if power/weight/speed is reduced then the 3 wheel moped rule applies and the windscreen issue vanishes. Regards Stuart.
Any ideas for a single seat F1 style trike?
Royalty payments anyone? Let me know what you've got and your idea of a fair deal. No idea how many sales we could be looking at, you too would need to guess on that one.
With regards to sales, I believe that potential in this market is already huge and untapped. There simply isn't a drop dead sexy commuter vehicle out there. Fuel taxes are at an all time high and more cities are planning to intoduce congestion charges.
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