Kit Car Magazine is Crap?
Discussion
You Have Even More Mail perhaps?? 
YHM 
I am still not sure that there should be so much in the magazine, about this issue, although I do now fully understand why you feel the need to bring it to the public eye.
Maybe full (and frank) details on a website (offshore?) is a better way forward. This would allow those that have missed details in the magazine to gain the full picture, and possibly not jump to the same conclusions that some of us (PHers) have.
Good luck
Sparks
Edited to add : forgot a reason. I can't get it in Switzerland.....and i'm also a lazy git
>> Edited by Sparks on Monday 1st September 15:56
I am still not sure that there should be so much in the magazine, about this issue, although I do now fully understand why you feel the need to bring it to the public eye.
Maybe full (and frank) details on a website (offshore?) is a better way forward. This would allow those that have missed details in the magazine to gain the full picture, and possibly not jump to the same conclusions that some of us (PHers) have.
Good luck
Sparks
Edited to add : forgot a reason. I can't get it in Switzerland.....and i'm also a lazy git
>> Edited by Sparks on Monday 1st September 15:56
I’ve a sack full of mail!
Apologies for the delay in reply, but I shall personally respond to anybody who makes a point that requires a response.
There are still over 40 copies of the October issue of Kit Car going begging. One guy reckons he wants a copy because “my kitchen table is wobbly and I need something to put under one of the table legs to balance it out?”. I’d add that he had more serious reasons too!
Seriously though, I want to see a full and informed discussion and to that end I’m making the offer.
To participate you need to see what the discussion is about. To do that you need the magazine. What you do with it afterwards is up to you. You could indeed use it to level a wobbly table, line the pet litter tray or whatever.
e-mail me for your copy kitcarperson
@ntlworld.com
Den
PS. I'm glad the other magazine is being goaded into participation.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Saturday 6th September 15:45
Apologies for the delay in reply, but I shall personally respond to anybody who makes a point that requires a response.
There are still over 40 copies of the October issue of Kit Car going begging. One guy reckons he wants a copy because “my kitchen table is wobbly and I need something to put under one of the table legs to balance it out?”. I’d add that he had more serious reasons too!
Seriously though, I want to see a full and informed discussion and to that end I’m making the offer.
To participate you need to see what the discussion is about. To do that you need the magazine. What you do with it afterwards is up to you. You could indeed use it to level a wobbly table, line the pet litter tray or whatever.
e-mail me for your copy kitcarperson
@ntlworld.com Den
PS. I'm glad the other magazine is being goaded into participation.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Saturday 6th September 15:45
Sparks said:
YHM
I am still not sure that there should be so much in the magazine, about this issue, although I do now fully understand why you feel the need to bring it to the public eye.
Maybe full (and frank) details on a website (offshore?) is a better way forward. This would allow those that have missed details in the magazine to gain the full picture, and possibly not jump to the same conclusions that some of us (PHers) have.
Good luck
Sparks
Edited to add : forgot a reason. I can't get it in Switzerland.....and i'm also a lazy git
>> Edited by Sparks on Monday 1st September 15:56
Sparks my pen friend. Ever heard the expression "can't see the wood for the trees"?
It seems to me that you might be suggesting that I don't expose what's happening openly where it can be legally challanged, but retreat and do it from a place where the majority won't actually see it and where I can't be called to book if they do. Seems that you don't understand that what I'm doing is right. I accept that it's arkward and uncomfortable, but it's not wrong.
Surely if I can't, with integrity, call a spade a spade in the open - then I shouldn't do it at all. So let's forget the "offshore" idea. A UK site is another matter. I'd do that if I had the know how. I've got lots of stuff to put on it.
Why isn't anybody supporting previous suggestions that the victim of my 'vitriolic vendetta' be invited to give his side of the story? Also why isn't anybody asking him to match my offer of having the benefit of your constructive criticism? I'm campaigning for a level playing field. What could be more 'on the level' than that?
Go on - ask the other party to contribute too! Not just physically with the supply of his magazines, but intellectually with his version of events. If he won't play ball you might to be able to draw some conclusions.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Tuesday 2nd September 01:00
kitcarman said:
Sparks my pen friend. Ever heard the expression "can't see the wood for the trees"?
It seems to me that you might be suggesting that I don't expose what's happening openly where it can be legally challanged, but retreat and do it from a place where the majority won't actually see it and where I can't be called to book if they do. Seems that you don't understand that what I'm doing is right. I accept that it's arkward and uncomfortable, but it's not wrong.
Surely if I can't, with integrity, call a spade a spade in the open - then I shouldn't do it at all. So let's forget the "offshore" idea. A UK site is another matter. I'd do that if I had the know how. I've got lots of stuff to put on it.
Why isn't anybody supporting previous suggestions that the victim of my 'vitriolic vendetta' be invited to give his side of the story? Also why isn't anybody asking him to match my offer of having the benefit of your constructive criticism? I'm campaigning for a level playing field. What could be more 'on the level' than that?
Go on - ask the other party to contribute too! Not just physically with the supply of his magazines, but intellectually with his version of events. If he won't play ball you might to be able to draw some conclusions.
I think you misunderstood my reasons for suggesting the offshore website (which would be freely available for anyone to view). Although you have nothing to hide, the hosting company can get drawn into any legal proceedings (even if there are no grounds for those proceedings) which would be limited if the server was offshore.
I think a UK site would be fine, there may even be someone on here prepared to host it for you. I also agree that Mr Filby should be encouraged to give his side of the story, and certainly corresspond here, to justify his actions (probably unsuccessfully).
I fully support you, and I would react in a very similar way if I was treated as you have been.
Sparks
P.S has anyone invited Mr Filby? Kitcarman, I think you should if you haven't already.
>> Edited by Sparks on Tuesday 2nd September 07:10
Sparks said:
P.S has anyone invited Mr Filby? Kitcarman, I think you should if you haven't already.
Ok, I have told Which Kit about PH and asked that they check out these topics regarding the magazines. I did also tell them about KitCarMan's offer and mentioned it would be nice if Which Kit could match it.
>> Edited by peetbee cos I couldn't use English!
>> Edited by peetbee on Tuesday 2nd September 10:41
Sparks said:
I think you misunderstood my reasons for suggesting the offshore website (which would be freely available for anyone to view). Although you have nothing to hide, the hosting company can get drawn into any legal proceedings (even if there are no grounds for those proceedings) which would be limited if the server was offshore.
Sparks
You're right - I did misunderstand. Sorry!
Incidentally, you may have misunderstood me too! My reference to not everybody seeing it wasn't to do with 'offshore' but to do with 'www'. Surfers are in the minority. I only started myself last Thursday.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Tuesday 2nd September 10:58
Meeja said:
I buy both mags every month..... and will be buying WK next month.
I have sent mail to Den......
Why don't you write to Peter (Which Kit's boss) saying "Den is sending a copy of his mag for my evalouation. Will you do same?"
Seems fair to me!
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 12:01
Here is what I would like to be in your magazine. It is totally biased as to what I would like, only you can decide if it is representative.
These are reviews of the types of cars you can buy / build. This is the likley implications of time / money for each route if you go down them..etc..etc under the heading - "So you think you want to buy a kit car"
I am not a spanner man, the attraction to the kit car is that since they are clearly very generic, there are loads of people out there hugely qualified / experienced who can sort that sort of thing for me, perhaps some simple maintenance procedures would be a good idea.
Next - OK so now you have got one, this is where you can take it and these are the people you should contact if you want to come and play.
Next - now you have played and realised that everyone is much better than you at ........ (delete as appropriate - driving / preparation / engineering / spending money / setting up. Here are some lessons we went through with other amateurs *like you*, this is how they improved and this is what they thought about it.
Lastly - and importantly for you - classified with a difference, ad rates on two scales - normal classifieds normal rate, approved classifieds - reviewed by regulars (not your staff, but readers) who can say what they think of the product / service. This will make you ads more relevant and your sellers think more about who they are selling stuff to - scary huh?
Reviewed ads are cheaper, but reviewers must be prepared to answer questions from idiot punters like me and for that (just an example) they get the product / service for free - most likely paid for by the advertiser.
How's that for starters - incidentally I am interested in feedback on my general thoughts as it is something I do with my clients increasingly - you feedback would help me too!
These are reviews of the types of cars you can buy / build. This is the likley implications of time / money for each route if you go down them..etc..etc under the heading - "So you think you want to buy a kit car"
I am not a spanner man, the attraction to the kit car is that since they are clearly very generic, there are loads of people out there hugely qualified / experienced who can sort that sort of thing for me, perhaps some simple maintenance procedures would be a good idea.
Next - OK so now you have got one, this is where you can take it and these are the people you should contact if you want to come and play.
Next - now you have played and realised that everyone is much better than you at ........ (delete as appropriate - driving / preparation / engineering / spending money / setting up. Here are some lessons we went through with other amateurs *like you*, this is how they improved and this is what they thought about it.
Lastly - and importantly for you - classified with a difference, ad rates on two scales - normal classifieds normal rate, approved classifieds - reviewed by regulars (not your staff, but readers) who can say what they think of the product / service. This will make you ads more relevant and your sellers think more about who they are selling stuff to - scary huh?
Reviewed ads are cheaper, but reviewers must be prepared to answer questions from idiot punters like me and for that (just an example) they get the product / service for free - most likely paid for by the advertiser.
How's that for starters - incidentally I am interested in feedback on my general thoughts as it is something I do with my clients increasingly - you feedback would help me too!
kitcarman said:
Why don't you write to Peter (Which Kit's boss) saying "Den is sending a copy of his mag for my evalouation. Will you do same?"
Seems fair to me!
Don't have an email address for PF, but have just printed out a letter to that effect..... there is a stamp in the management's purse, and a post box visible from my front door.... consider it done!
If it all works, it'll save me a few quid next month! But no-one tell the wife!
>> Edited by Meeja on Tuesday 2nd September 14:06
peetbee said:
Don't have an email address for PF, but have just printed out a letter to that effect..... there is a stamp in the management's purse, and a post box visible from my front door.... consider it done!
Does anyone read my posts?
Sorry - did someone say something?
Peetbee, How long have you put up with this lot? I thought they all favoured Which Twit yet none of them seem to want to help you give them an invite to our party. Not even as 'star' guests.
BTW, there are still plenty of free Kit Car October issues going begging.
e-mail me for yours. kitcarman at ntlworld dot com
There will be no spam and we don't sell addresses.
Another good reason given. Chap wants a fly swatter with a stain resistent glossy cover - cheeky sod! Another reckons he'll be able to employ it after he's had a night on vindallo. To read whilst his system stabilises - not what you initially thought, was it?
>> Edited by kitcarman on Saturday 6th September 15:50
BTW, there are still plenty of free Kit Car October issues going begging.
e-mail me for yours. kitcarman at ntlworld dot com
There will be no spam and we don't sell addresses.
Another good reason given. Chap wants a fly swatter with a stain resistent glossy cover - cheeky sod! Another reckons he'll be able to employ it after he's had a night on vindallo. To read whilst his system stabilises - not what you initially thought, was it?
>> Edited by kitcarman on Saturday 6th September 15:50
OK chaps! I can see that I pissed some (maybe most) of you off with my last new topic posting (mainly because it was too bally long and repetitive). Specific apologies to tuffer, marki, traction and Mark B. Sorry!
I’m also sorry that I pissed PetrolTed off – yet again. Sincere apologies Ted!
Two points came through loud and clear. You want me to speak with deeds not words, by improving my product. Well that’s why I’m offering a free copy so that you can tell me what’s wrong with it.
I was surprised that traction isn’t taking up the free offer because it’s made in good faith with a sincere attitude, albeit in exuberant terms.
The free issue is, I believe, a good one with a rounded mix of features on Hallmark Cars (replica Cobra dealers), the Torero Diablo replica from Parallel Designs, an E-Type replica from Challanger and a feature on the RAW Striker on the Llandow circuit. I think that covers most tastes. Of course its got all the regular stuff too. If I’ve got this mix wrong, then how will I find out if you won’t tell me?
As I said at the start, I believe that Kit Car is better that you previously gave it credit for and I’m anxious to justify that small part of it that is presently on the offensive. Please remember that most of you were reporting that you were buying the ‘other’ one because of that which I’m trying to rationalise.
Your second point is that you think I should devote my time to writing articles. You may well be right, but I never have in the past. In my 12 years as a publisher I’ve only written maybe 6 articles - 3 of those in the past 6 months.
The third point was that my contribution to the general discussions was welcome. I shall make such contributions when there are such matters up for debate. It’s been a bit thin in that respect of late.
Den
I’m also sorry that I pissed PetrolTed off – yet again. Sincere apologies Ted!
Two points came through loud and clear. You want me to speak with deeds not words, by improving my product. Well that’s why I’m offering a free copy so that you can tell me what’s wrong with it.
I was surprised that traction isn’t taking up the free offer because it’s made in good faith with a sincere attitude, albeit in exuberant terms.
The free issue is, I believe, a good one with a rounded mix of features on Hallmark Cars (replica Cobra dealers), the Torero Diablo replica from Parallel Designs, an E-Type replica from Challanger and a feature on the RAW Striker on the Llandow circuit. I think that covers most tastes. Of course its got all the regular stuff too. If I’ve got this mix wrong, then how will I find out if you won’t tell me?
As I said at the start, I believe that Kit Car is better that you previously gave it credit for and I’m anxious to justify that small part of it that is presently on the offensive. Please remember that most of you were reporting that you were buying the ‘other’ one because of that which I’m trying to rationalise.
Your second point is that you think I should devote my time to writing articles. You may well be right, but I never have in the past. In my 12 years as a publisher I’ve only written maybe 6 articles - 3 of those in the past 6 months.
The third point was that my contribution to the general discussions was welcome. I shall make such contributions when there are such matters up for debate. It’s been a bit thin in that respect of late.
Den
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