Kit Car magazine Barred from Donnington!
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Tried that!
Along with trying to keep my 'other' business (Pilgrim Cars) afloat during the hate campaign. At the same time I was trying to get justice in the courts. On top of that I was keeping Kit Car magazine going.
Result of all this? - I couldn't keep up with it all and suffered a mental breakdown. Nearly 2 years later (happened September 12th 2001) I'm still not right.
I had 3 shows. Braintree, Harrogate and Malvern. After my breakdown one of my staff ran them on his own account then gave up. Only Harrogate survives, but under the completely new management of John Cook - champion chappie.
I lost an awful lot at Filby's hands and not to mention all the emotional anguish. Question is how to put the past behind when Mr Filby hasn't changed one iota. When I realised he wasn't going to change, nor apologise (with sincerity) nor undo any of the harmful things he'd done, I turned the matter over to the public (including you PistonHeads) to decide. That was initially misunderstood, but with the revelation of each new fact the public's perception is shifting - I think.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 00:25
Along with trying to keep my 'other' business (Pilgrim Cars) afloat during the hate campaign. At the same time I was trying to get justice in the courts. On top of that I was keeping Kit Car magazine going.
Result of all this? - I couldn't keep up with it all and suffered a mental breakdown. Nearly 2 years later (happened September 12th 2001) I'm still not right.
I had 3 shows. Braintree, Harrogate and Malvern. After my breakdown one of my staff ran them on his own account then gave up. Only Harrogate survives, but under the completely new management of John Cook - champion chappie.
I lost an awful lot at Filby's hands and not to mention all the emotional anguish. Question is how to put the past behind when Mr Filby hasn't changed one iota. When I realised he wasn't going to change, nor apologise (with sincerity) nor undo any of the harmful things he'd done, I turned the matter over to the public (including you PistonHeads) to decide. That was initially misunderstood, but with the revelation of each new fact the public's perception is shifting - I think.
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 00:25
Hi Den,
What if everyone who reads this forum and is going to attend Donnington (as I am) makes a point of asking the staff at the Which Kit Stand why Kit car were prevented from attending and making them aware of the invitation to debate on here?
Can be made as quietly or as forcefully as you wish.
Nick
What if everyone who reads this forum and is going to attend Donnington (as I am) makes a point of asking the staff at the Which Kit Stand why Kit car were prevented from attending and making them aware of the invitation to debate on here?
Can be made as quietly or as forcefully as you wish.
Nick
I agree that Kit Car being banned from this event is more than a little on the childish side.
If Which Kit? is so sure of their superiority, then what have they got to be worried about?
On the other hand the Donnington show has never, as far as I know, been advertised in Kit Car mag.
In fact the only reference I can remember to the Donnington show was some car clubs whinging about having to pay to get into this show if you turn up in a kit car.
OK, yes, I can sort of see your point, but then think about how much petrol you used getting their in your kit car, and then how much you'd have used in your normal car (assuming your kit isn't the everydaymobile) including your ticket into the show.
It's a minor cost.
Getting back to the point, even taking into account Kit Car being banned from attending this show, surely Kit Cars interest is in promoting the industry, and as this show is one of the main shows of the year, it would be in the interest of the industry for the show to receive as much publicity as possible?
One last point, sort of related.
It came as quite an unpleasant surprise to see that in this months Which Kit? Peter Filby admits to never having built a car in his life, and suggesting that he never could.
OK, you don't need to build a kit to enjoy it, but for someone who's been working in the industry for so long, isn't this a bit like Peter Wheeler admitting to owning Porshes for the last 10 years?
If Which Kit? is so sure of their superiority, then what have they got to be worried about?
On the other hand the Donnington show has never, as far as I know, been advertised in Kit Car mag.
In fact the only reference I can remember to the Donnington show was some car clubs whinging about having to pay to get into this show if you turn up in a kit car.
OK, yes, I can sort of see your point, but then think about how much petrol you used getting their in your kit car, and then how much you'd have used in your normal car (assuming your kit isn't the everydaymobile) including your ticket into the show.
It's a minor cost.
Getting back to the point, even taking into account Kit Car being banned from attending this show, surely Kit Cars interest is in promoting the industry, and as this show is one of the main shows of the year, it would be in the interest of the industry for the show to receive as much publicity as possible?
One last point, sort of related.
It came as quite an unpleasant surprise to see that in this months Which Kit? Peter Filby admits to never having built a car in his life, and suggesting that he never could.
OK, you don't need to build a kit to enjoy it, but for someone who's been working in the industry for so long, isn't this a bit like Peter Wheeler admitting to owning Porshes for the last 10 years?
chrisj. This is the story in a nutshell. Peter and I fell out in 1998. Early that year I had sold him KCI magazine and I guess he was cross because he couldn't turn it around. I put tons of effort into Kit Car magazine (using Pilgrim money) which was causing sales of Kit Car to increase at the expense of Which Kit? Many petty arguments developed between Peter and I, in the midst of which - out of the blue Which Kit? carried an article saying that the Pilgrim Sumo chassis wasn't capable of withstanding the power of a Chevrolet engine. I reacted with a writ when in response to my complaint, Mr Filby said words to the effect that if I could damage his business then he felt free to damage mine. The story put in court was of course different, but that's another topic altogether. Suffice to say that the birds in the nest weren't agreeing. Matters were referred to the High Court.
The 1999 Donnington show came into discussion and it was agreed between Peter and myself that I would run Donnington's advertisements IF I could display my products and magazine at that show. I ran the said advertisements whereapon Peter changed his mind and barred both Pilgrim and Kit Car magazine from attendance. There were further issues regarding payment for advertisements too - but that's yet another issue.
Form that time to this, both Pilgrim and Kit Car have been barred from both Peter's shows.
The 1999 Donnington show came into discussion and it was agreed between Peter and myself that I would run Donnington's advertisements IF I could display my products and magazine at that show. I ran the said advertisements whereapon Peter changed his mind and barred both Pilgrim and Kit Car magazine from attendance. There were further issues regarding payment for advertisements too - but that's yet another issue.
Form that time to this, both Pilgrim and Kit Car have been barred from both Peter's shows.
Quite right Meeja. I sold Pilgrim over a year ago, so there's no problem for Peter in that regard anymore.
That also explains why you will see a feature on the new Pilgrim Porky and at least one Pilgrim ad in the next Which Kit?
Den
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 16:18
That also explains why you will see a feature on the new Pilgrim Porky and at least one Pilgrim ad in the next Which Kit?
Den
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 16:18
Liszt. I think you miss the point. It’s ever so easy to find stuff to fill a magazine and posthumous show reports are as easy and as valueless as they get. Yes Kit Car does put in show retrospectives, but I’ve always questioned their value. If you were there it’s a waste and if you weren’t it’s too late. If we wanted to do such a report, we could – as you’ve pointed out.
The value of a show to a magazine is in getting copies into the hands of new customers (and rusty ones). Look at the effort I’m putting into this site to get 100 magazines into those kinds of hands. That’s what I’m being denied.
Secondly, every show leads to new contacts that may be exploited for features, advertising and everything else that magazines either have a commercial interest in or do for a living.
The value of a show to a magazine is in getting copies into the hands of new customers (and rusty ones). Look at the effort I’m putting into this site to get 100 magazines into those kinds of hands. That’s what I’m being denied.
Secondly, every show leads to new contacts that may be exploited for features, advertising and everything else that magazines either have a commercial interest in or do for a living.
chrisj said:
It came as quite an unpleasant surprise to see that in this months Which Kit? Peter Filby admits to never having built a car in his life, and suggesting that he never could.
OK, you don't need to build a kit to enjoy it, but for someone who's been working in the industry for so long, isn't this a bit like Peter Wheeler admitting to owning Porshes for the last 10 years?
Whilst not strictly pertinent to this thread, I think chrisj has opened up an issue that IS very revealing to other threads.
What says you?
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 18:46
My suggestion is that you get a whole load of good quality plastic bags printed and you put a Magazine and comments postcard in each with an offer to win a free 12month subscription to KC...
Then don't go in just stand outside and give them to people as they go past!!!
The people giving them out should be standing by a sexy Kit Car and should be wearing the same clothes with Kit-Car logo's...
You may not get many responces from the cards... but people will generally keep the plastic bags and as they walk around the show others will see them and you are effectivly advertising your product!!!
Then don't go in just stand outside and give them to people as they go past!!!
The people giving them out should be standing by a sexy Kit Car and should be wearing the same clothes with Kit-Car logo's...
You may not get many responces from the cards... but people will generally keep the plastic bags and as they walk around the show others will see them and you are effectivly advertising your product!!!
You would have to be off the Donington Park property, so outside any land they own.
That said, a big placard saying 'Kit Car Magazine - Banned from Donington' wouldn't go amiss either.
Den himself could then do this, assuming he didn't cause a nuisance or obstruction by giving away free mags at a laybay or near the gates.
A couple of girls giving away the magazines outside the gates - ready to scarper - in tight fitting 'prison' uniforms could add to the spectacle
That said, a big placard saying 'Kit Car Magazine - Banned from Donington' wouldn't go amiss either.
Den himself could then do this, assuming he didn't cause a nuisance or obstruction by giving away free mags at a laybay or near the gates.
A couple of girls giving away the magazines outside the gates - ready to scarper - in tight fitting 'prison' uniforms could add to the spectacle
kitcarman said:
It came as quite an unpleasant surprise to see that in this months Which Kit? Peter Filby admits to never having built a car in his life, and suggesting that he never could.
OK, you don't need to build a kit to enjoy it, but for someone who's been working in the industry for so long, isn't this a bit like Peter Wheeler admitting to owning Porshes for the last 10 years?
Whilst not strictly pertinent to this thread, I think chrisj has opened up an issue that IS very revealing to other threads.
What says you?
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 3rd September 18:46
Must admit this reminds me a certain Mr Ratner telling a press conference his shops sold crap 12 months later no shops
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