chassis-no. starting SABTVR03430....
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somebody offered me a kitcar with date of 1st reg 1978 and a 17digit vin-no. starting SABTVR03430.....
as the 10th digit should show the model year it could be ´73, ´83, ´93 or ´03
v5 says under make the brand of the kit-manufacturer. so everything ok until now. kit was built mid-90´s..so 1st confusion.
when i type in the SABTVR at google i find plenty of pages where the summary at the end is: SABTVR is a DVLA given vin for re-shelled cars.
now my questions: is this good or not? is it normal to get such a vin? or is there something wrong?
as the 10th digit should show the model year it could be ´73, ´83, ´93 or ´03
v5 says under make the brand of the kit-manufacturer. so everything ok until now. kit was built mid-90´s..so 1st confusion.
when i type in the SABTVR at google i find plenty of pages where the summary at the end is: SABTVR is a DVLA given vin for re-shelled cars.
now my questions: is this good or not? is it normal to get such a vin? or is there something wrong?
now found something...had to type in the make myself and not choose the one from the drop down menue....
Date of Liability 01 10 2008
Date of First Registration 01 03 1978
Year of Manufacture 1978
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Due to Expire
Vehicle Colour GREEN
Vehicle Type Approval null
Date of Liability 01 10 2008
Date of First Registration 01 03 1978
Year of Manufacture 1978
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Due to Expire
Vehicle Colour GREEN
Vehicle Type Approval null
Edited by Comadis on Monday 22 September 20:58
i think my car has the same beginning of the vin plate
definitly the tvr bit any way as i remember that
(its a gtm rossa mark 2)
ive never had any problems wiht it and no ones ever questioned it
i'd say as long as it says the kit manufacturer on the v5 (eg cobra replica company) rather than the donor car (eg ford cortina)
you should be ok
doug
definitly the tvr bit any way as i remember that
(its a gtm rossa mark 2)
ive never had any problems wiht it and no ones ever questioned it
i'd say as long as it says the kit manufacturer on the v5 (eg cobra replica company) rather than the donor car (eg ford cortina)
you should be ok
doug
sure its legal and everything ok...but as the car will be rgegistrated outside UK (also not in my country, but inside the EU) any info will helpful:
if such a chassis no.is given when a car has been re-shelled or the body changed than our instituations believe that its running still on the "old" 1978 chassis but with a differnt body than original (the body manufacturer in that case is "the kit suplier" and named in the V5)...and they will give you the historic registration.
if such a chassis-no. says that also the chassis may have been changed, than it gets critical.
if the local instituations can "read" something in the chassis-no. which shows them that the car was built as a kit in, lets say 1995, they will not registrate it as a 1978 car.
so my question was: are there hidden infos in such a number combination and what does it exactly say?
is there a link to a dvla page existing which explains in detail the procedure of these no.´s?
if such a chassis no.is given when a car has been re-shelled or the body changed than our instituations believe that its running still on the "old" 1978 chassis but with a differnt body than original (the body manufacturer in that case is "the kit suplier" and named in the V5)...and they will give you the historic registration.
if such a chassis-no. says that also the chassis may have been changed, than it gets critical.
if the local instituations can "read" something in the chassis-no. which shows them that the car was built as a kit in, lets say 1995, they will not registrate it as a 1978 car.
so my question was: are there hidden infos in such a number combination and what does it exactly say?
is there a link to a dvla page existing which explains in detail the procedure of these no.´s?
Edited by Comadis on Tuesday 23 September 14:43
Edited by Comadis on Wednesday 24th September 14:10
As I was speaking to DVLA about my reg I asked them. The guy did not know if the numbers meant anything.
Wikipedia has a piece on VIN numbers which indicates that the tenth character indicates the year.In your case that's 3 which equates to 2003 which is obviously wrong and my 10th makes no sense either so I would have to say there is no meaning.
However for your purposes I suppose you will have to get something in writing to prove your case.
Steve
Wikipedia has a piece on VIN numbers which indicates that the tenth character indicates the year.In your case that's 3 which equates to 2003 which is obviously wrong and my 10th makes no sense either so I would have to say there is no meaning.
However for your purposes I suppose you will have to get something in writing to prove your case.
Steve
according to my wikipedia the "3" could mean 1973, ´83, 93 or 2003.....as the car was built in the 90´s it should be ´93...and here we go....some european countries wont registrate this car at all (the country i mean is france) as long as you do not have a prove (e.g. invoice from a garage) which tells that the car was originally built 1978 and a replacement body has been fitted in 1993. as the governmental institutions know that this car is a kitcar, therefore was built 1993 using some donor parts but wehter the orignal chassis nor any body-panels, they will even doubt such an invoice.
by the way: i phoned with the kit-manufacturer ( a well known, famous brand in UK)...and they wanted to make me believe that the SABTVR is a "ford" chassis no. and that the dvla never issued any chassis no.´s
i only could laugh about such a stupid bla.bla.bla
they asked me to sent an email with pictures and data´s of the car: i did but guess what was the result: no reply!!
"oh we apologize...your email must have ended in the spam folder"
interesting...so even my last emails, abotu parts, which i sent directly via their web-page enquiry-form some months ago must have ended there...i guess all emails end there.
i only could laugh about such a stupid bla.bla.bla
they asked me to sent an email with pictures and data´s of the car: i did but guess what was the result: no reply!!
"oh we apologize...your email must have ended in the spam folder"
interesting...so even my last emails, abotu parts, which i sent directly via their web-page enquiry-form some months ago must have ended there...i guess all emails end there.
Comadis said:
according to my wikipedia the "3" could mean 1973, ´83, 93 or 2003..........
Which Wikipedia is that because it is not in mine?VIN numbers started in 1980.
Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIN
Steve
Comadis said:
that sounds perfect...but already found a "mistake":....
Not a mistake just the way these numbers are structured.Where in the international layout is DVLA office number and Julien calendar.
Steve
PS The only way this is going to mean anything to the authority you will have to convince will be to get an exact definition, in writing, from DVLA including from them the year.
Don't forget the year character is the year the VIN was issued. In my case 8 because they have just issued it but they will be allocating me an age related plate for 1987 (D) as that was the age of the donor vehicle.
Edited by Steve_D on Sunday 28th September 07:29
after 1981 its a "must" to use the standardised VIN...even the DVLA has to follow that rules.
that means the 10th digit will tell the model year..not the 11th...
anyway, i checked my 11th digit: its an 0
as "O" or "0" arent (to avoid am mix-up) assigned to a year its another prove that the 10th digit tells the year.
at the end i believe my car was built 2003 (according to the 3) and the actual owner told me a wrong year (1996), as he bought the car already 2nd hand, not directly from the builder.
for me it would be perfect...as the car would be "only" 5 years old.
that means the 10th digit will tell the model year..not the 11th...
anyway, i checked my 11th digit: its an 0
as "O" or "0" arent (to avoid am mix-up) assigned to a year its another prove that the 10th digit tells the year.
at the end i believe my car was built 2003 (according to the 3) and the actual owner told me a wrong year (1996), as he bought the car already 2nd hand, not directly from the builder.
for me it would be perfect...as the car would be "only" 5 years old.
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