1967 Tuscan V8

[timelord]

I remember seeing one being rallycrossed at Lydden in the early 70's until it flew over the hump on the outside of paddock hill bend, the remains were unceremoniously dumped in the back of a lorry never to be seen again. If I remember the car was white in those days, don't think it had any sign of number plates. Geoff

[Astacus]

davepen said:

Filby says the car was destroyed and restored twice, be interesting to see the new (vol 2) book

I know I keep asking this, but, does anyone in touch with Mr Filby know when this will come out? It's older brother is getting lonely sitting on my bookshelf all by itself and I have run out of bathroom reading material.

[Gregor Marshall]

Adrian@ said:

MMT 7C pictures with 1/4 lights....shed/car without 1/4 lights, MMT 7C without sunroof with shed with sunroof
IMHO I do not see it being MMT 7C
Adrian@

Edited by Adrian@ on Wednesday 4th July 15:55

MMT did have a sunroof but it was fibre-glassed in, one of the "extras" she received when repaired by TVR before Martin Lilley bought TVR.
I'm n ot saying it is or isn't MMT, just interested to see what does happen.

[westwood35]

I originally posted regarding this vehicle, and did not say that my uncle bought it in 1967 from America!!! He bought it 2 years ago, from the fifth owner we think. The photos as a drag car came with a whole folder of info on the car.

[westwood35]

We don't have all the history to the car, we are missing info from when it was built to the late 60's. Alan Arnold and Gregor Marshall have been very helpful, and we are grateful for their input into building up what history we have so far. We have also investigated whether this is MMT 7C, and still do not know. Hence there is no mention of this in the sales info. We posted the auction info, because we thought people may also be interested to see the car. Sorry if this offends you.

[Gregor Marshall]

£34,650.00 - http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1967-tvr-tuscan...

[GTRene]

sounds like a fare price, would love to own such car but then a LHD version.

[GTRene]

Gregor Marshall said:

Adrian@ said:

MMT 7C pictures with 1/4 lights....shed/car without 1/4 lights, MMT 7C without sunroof with shed with sunroof
IMHO I do not see it being MMT 7C
Adrian@

Edited by Adrian@ on Wednesday 4th July 15:55

MMT did have a sunroof but it was fibre-glassed in, one of the "extras" she received when repaired by TVR before Martin Lilley bought TVR.
I'm not saying it is or isn't MMT, just interested to see what does happen.

in my book it looks different...
the instrument panel below the switches is different in the book of the original TVR Tuscan V8 short-wheelbase...
also with 271hp its a Tuscan V8 SE...the normal Tuscan V8 had 195hp so the book says.

also Martin Lilley's own car is in the book with licence plate "500 ML" and restored, in that picture the roof is a closed version so no hole, and the side-vents as in this for sale car.
also the 500 ML had no extra bonnet-vents ala Ferrari GTO

there's also a picture in the book which says....
Robert Nosowicz's ex-Martin Lilley wide-body Tuscan V8 which shows the large aperture? in the glass fibre roof which is normally filled by a Perspex panel.

also another picture which says ML's ex car is only one of just 2 RHD wide-body Tuscan V8's

strange thing thou is are the side vents of that ex ML car...they are different, they have the vents of the 2500M models...

so I guess that 200-035 is not ML's car

[Astacus]

GTRene said:

in my book it looks different...
the instrument panel below the switches is different in the book of the original TVR Tuscan V8 short-wheelbase...
also with 271hp its a Tuscan V8 SE...the normal Tuscan V8 had 195hp so the book says.

also Martin Lilley's own car is in the book with licence plate "500 ML" and restored, in that picture the roof is a closed version so no hole, and the side-vents as in this for sale car.
also the 500 ML had no extra bonnet-vents ala Ferrari GTO

there's also a picture in the book which says....
Robert Nosowicz's ex-Martin Lilley wide-body Tuscan V8 which shows the large aperture? in the glass fibre roof which is normally filled by a Perspex panel.

also another picture which says ML's ex car is only one of just 2 RHD wide-body Tuscan V8's

strange thing thou is are the side vents of that ex ML car...they are different, they have the vents of the 2500M models...

so I guess that 200-035 is not ML's car

Hi GTRene, I think that Martin Lilley's Widebody Tuscan V8 and his original racing Tuscan 200-035 are different cars. I thought that the WB Tuscan was a development car made specially for ML when he was at TVR. His racing period in the other standard body Tuscan was before this. - could be wrong

[davepen]

Astacus said:

GTRene said:

also Martin Lilley's own car is in the book with licence plate "500 ML"
...
also another picture which says ML's ex car is only one of just 2 RHD wide-body Tuscan V8's
....
so I guess that 200-035 is not ML's car

Hi GTRene, I think that Martin Lilley's Widebody Tuscan V8 and his original racing Tuscan 200-035 are different cars.

One could say that every TVR between 1966 and 1980 is ex ML!

I think you are talking about a lot of different cars.

MMT7C was a 1965 Griffith, built by Grantura Engineering. Used by Martin and then GerryM to go racing.
Martin and then Gerry ran the Barnet (London) Dealership, so had many cars through their hands.
500ML is a 1967 SWB Tuscan SE, tested by MOTOR in 1967
EOY217J (200-035) is the SWB Tuscan recently restored car sold at Silverstone on Saturday
SKY3(NVN229F) is a 1968 LWB Tuscan which is shown in one of the Tipler books.
The Wide bodied cars are later (c1970)

The speculation below was based on the information that EOY217J was revived using remains sold by Gerry.

[Astacus]

Thanks Dave

[thegamekeeper]

pridaux said:

The Car Sold at Silverstone afraid it went to a collector so i dont think we will see it out and about which is a real shame it did look a beautiful car and the build sheet looked very good a few bits could still be done such as door kick plates as there where none but all in all a good buy despite the historical question mark if you where to take a mark1 Vixen and convert it like i saw at Zolder you would spend far more
Andrew

Dont be afraid, share your knowledge. Who was this "collector"? Chris Camp? Dereck Hood? Jay Leno? Sultan of Brunai? Who in their right mind would buy a car without door kick plates? Hang on, you did. God forbid (sorry for the blasphemy, nothing personal) would convert a Vixen S1 to V8?

Seriously, please tell us who the collector is and why do you think we will not see it out and about.

Edited by thegamekeeper on Sunday 29th July 20:34

[heightswitch]

thegamekeeper said:

Dont be afraid, share your knowledge. Who was this "collector"? Chris Camp? Dereck Hood? Jay Leno? Sultan of Brunai? Who in their right mind would buy a car without door kick plates? Hang on, you did. God forbid (sorry for the blasphemy, nothing personal) would convert a Vixen S1 to V8?

Seriously, please tell us who the collector is and why do you think we will not see it out and about.

Edited by thegamekeeper on Sunday 29th July 20:34

Are those kick plates rare then??
N

[S1Vixen]

I'm told they are not available and have been hunting for suitably embossed aluminium sheet to no avail. If anyone knows a source, I'm interested...

[Astacus]

S1Vixen said:

I'm told they are not available and have been hunting for suitably embossed aluminium sheet to no avail. If anyone knows a source, I'm interested...

Mine look rather like

http://www.nfauto.co.uk/embossed_ali.htm

[S1Vixen]

Spoken to CBS, confirmed no stock and no supply route. Shame.

As an alternative, I'm thinking laser engraving the pattern onto sheet material....

[TSP3]

GTRene said:

in my book it looks different...
the instrument panel below the switches is different in the book of the original TVR Tuscan V8 short-wheelbase...
also with 271hp its a Tuscan V8 SE...the normal Tuscan V8 had 195hp so the book says.

also Martin Lilley's own car is in the book with licence plate "500 ML" and restored, in that picture the roof is a closed version so no hole, and the side-vents as in this for sale car.
also the 500 ML had no extra bonnet-vents ala Ferrari GTO

there's also a picture in the book which says....
Robert Nosowicz's ex-Martin Lilley wide-body Tuscan V8 which shows the large aperture? in the glass fibre roof which is normally filled by a Perspex panel.

also another picture which says ML's ex car is only one of just 2 RHD wide-body Tuscan V8's

strange thing thou is are the side vents of that ex ML car...they are different, they have the vents of the 2500M models...

so I guess that 200-035 is not ML's car

Hi

Does anyone have a photo of Robert Nosowicz's ex-Martin Lilley wide-body Tuscan V8 and

do you know the colour and reg number of the car when Martin Lilley owned it?

[Astacus]

very poor scan from the Robson book, page 51. Hope that helps a bit

[GTRene]

can not find it on the web but here's a nice one of 12? RHD LWB Tuscan's SE

at least the picture says so...



I believe there were 3 types Tuscan V8?

a book speaks of

--Tuscan V8 = 28, were 4 RHD and 24 LHD built in 1967
--Tuscan V8 LWB = 24, were 12 RHD and 12 LHD built in 1967 and 1968
--Tuscan V8 Wide Body = 21, were 2 RHD and 19 LHD built in 1968 to 1970

I guess you have to see all 3 next to each-other to see clear which is what

I remember (from my short memory) that I have somewhere some writing and pictures of a very nice
Tuscan V8 I guess from ML which was described in some Dutch (I believe) car magazine.

[luckycarter]

Heres a colour shot of the Noscowitz car. Dont know if the reg was differant when Lilley owned it