Has Button broken Hamilton?
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heebeegeetee said:
OlberJ said:
Any clips of this "superb" driving that Hamilton has pulled off?
Genuinely interested to see it.
Well, you know, if...
There's lots on youtube of him beating his peers, be it in karting, FRenault, GP2 or F1. There's some great stuff from GP2 and F1. There's possibly more compilation clips put together of him than of any other recent driver.Genuinely interested to see it.
Well, you know, if...
For some reason though there's nothing from recent years that can be used.
Asterix said:
I respect your opinion but I can't see LH as the best of this years grid let alone the last 35 years. Are you accounting for 'future growth'?
Hunky Dory said:
That's quite a statement. What makes you come to that conclusion?
In the first corner of his first F1 race he stuffed the driver many thought was the new King, his 2x WDC Teamate, in an equal car. He went on to destroy him psychologically and expose himself as a cheat, liar and a blackmailer. Or do you just not remember the 0.6 of a second remark, slyly referring to the stolen Ferrari information he was trying to keep to himself ?
MrKipling43 said:
Really? No one's going to pick this up?
Kinda sums up the depths this thread has occasionally plumbed in terms of 'expertise' really...
Well I do suggest you go and read up about what happened that year. Renault, to my knowledge, never engineered the second car to the same level as the No1, and also, specifically that staff on Jensons side of the garage were inferior, his chief engineer was new to the job, or F1 altogether, I forget... I am a big fan of his and have watched his career closely, it is not something you forget. Unless you wish to because it does not tie in with what you wish to see...Kinda sums up the depths this thread has occasionally plumbed in terms of 'expertise' really...
vonuber said:
998420 said:
Lewis is the best there is out there, and buy a long way. If you cannot see that, or disagree, fine, we are all entitled to our opinions.
Lewis is better (by a long way) than:1 x WC Kimi
2 x WC Alonso
1 x WC Button
7 x WC MSc
2 x WC Vettel
Really?
It's been mentioned before by others, but I'll restate it. Button vs Hamilton is like Prost vs Senna. Button is a better race tactician, but he isn't as fast when it comes to qualifying (which is a true indicator of how fast a driver is) and he doesn't take risks.
Senna once said that if you don't go far a gap, you're no longer a racing driver. If Senna were alive, he would probably be a Hamilton fan, just as Hamilton is a Senna fan.
Personally, I'll be supporting Hamilton (as I've always done). This year, he has this whole underdog thing about him. Only last season, Murray Walker branded him a has-been (I'm paraphrasing, but the message was the same) and he fell out of favour with a lot of fans.
The only other sport I follow is boxing. It doesn't compare as well, but Button would be like Vitali Klitschko and Hamilton is like Mike Tyson. Button brings home the points with as little drama as possible, whereas Hamilton made F1 a hell of a lot more interesting.
Senna once said that if you don't go far a gap, you're no longer a racing driver. If Senna were alive, he would probably be a Hamilton fan, just as Hamilton is a Senna fan.
Personally, I'll be supporting Hamilton (as I've always done). This year, he has this whole underdog thing about him. Only last season, Murray Walker branded him a has-been (I'm paraphrasing, but the message was the same) and he fell out of favour with a lot of fans.
The only other sport I follow is boxing. It doesn't compare as well, but Button would be like Vitali Klitschko and Hamilton is like Mike Tyson. Button brings home the points with as little drama as possible, whereas Hamilton made F1 a hell of a lot more interesting.
ewenm said:
It's pretty evident that Hamilton isn't broken. Button might be a bigger challenge to him than many expected although most decent sportspeople like having teammates who push them on. I reckon the Hamilton-Button rivalry this year will be close-fought and entertaining.
I'm just looking forward to how it all unfolds! Said it well before this thread question was asked. Button's appearance alongside Hamilton at McLaren will be beneficial to both drivers but, especially Hamilton unless he really is a hopeless plonker which obviously he isn't. He does have his moments in the car on track though but those are fewer whereas in the past it was almost every race. There were signs of that beneficial influence last season and definitely signs of that this new season based on both their performances.
I will again hope to see a Mclaren 1-2 tomorrow and apart from a few long shot bets placed before Practices, several are looking good now, I have not yet had my main bet. I won a few quid on Lewis for pole and really should use that to bet on him again. With only a seventh of a second between them, I really do not know which of the two Mclaren boys to place my money. The fact that both are at such short odds and with the old man of the track well placed to spoil the McLaren show right from the off, I hesitate now and really have yet to make my move on the bookies...
Think I'll leave my main bet until a few minutes before the off. By then we shall know what conditions are likely at the start and during the race. Those can make a difference. Even then I might not back either but have a bet on the "Best of the rest" some on-line bookies offer. That may be where good value is to be found.
Looking forward to this race more than the first one. This track should allow better opportunities for overtaking. I expect much more of that and also improvement with some of those showing a DNF last time. However, Sod's Law always lurks and may put the block on all that...
Roll on.
I will again hope to see a Mclaren 1-2 tomorrow and apart from a few long shot bets placed before Practices, several are looking good now, I have not yet had my main bet. I won a few quid on Lewis for pole and really should use that to bet on him again. With only a seventh of a second between them, I really do not know which of the two Mclaren boys to place my money. The fact that both are at such short odds and with the old man of the track well placed to spoil the McLaren show right from the off, I hesitate now and really have yet to make my move on the bookies...
Think I'll leave my main bet until a few minutes before the off. By then we shall know what conditions are likely at the start and during the race. Those can make a difference. Even then I might not back either but have a bet on the "Best of the rest" some on-line bookies offer. That may be where good value is to be found.
Looking forward to this race more than the first one. This track should allow better opportunities for overtaking. I expect much more of that and also improvement with some of those showing a DNF last time. However, Sod's Law always lurks and may put the block on all that...
Roll on.
998420 said:
Hunky Dory said:
That's quite a statement. What makes you come to that conclusion?
But in answer to your post. No. I don't even see him as the best out there "by a long way" currently, either. And nor have I done for the last few seasons. Given his finishing position in the WDC for the last few years and his position relative to his team mate last year, again I must ask how you come to this conclusion as well?
Hamilton had the faster lap of the 2.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Docu...
Before the first pits, Button was catching Hamilton, Although there was feck all in it really.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Docu...
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Docu...
Before the first pits, Button was catching Hamilton, Although there was feck all in it really.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Docu...
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