PH team for Birkett six hour Relay Race ?
Discussion
ehasler said:
We would need to install an enlarged fuel tank in the Tuscan, but I don't think that is a problem.
I've only got 20 litres in the Westfield, so will only be able to do 25-30 minute stints.
How does this compare to everyone else?
the mg is about the same. im probably going to put a extra tank in the tas so over 1 hour and i think the g20 is about 40 mins..
ehasler said:
DustyC said:
In that case, Ed keep me upto date with this. I'll come up and support the PH team. I'll even bring my own overalls and helmet just incase.
Official PH team photographer - DustyC
Do you reckon you'll have your new camera by the end of October?
If I haven't I'll shoot myself (with the old camera of course
). I'd love to cover the event. I'll be glad to be the official snapper and will write up the review too.
O/T: I wouldnt mind having a go with someones L series lense for the occasion
>> Edited by DustyC on Thursday 1st July 12:20
What's the story with DNF's etc?
I assume that the way it works normaly is that a car comes into the pits and 'tags' the next car which takes over and goes out.
Presumably you stay out until you're nearly out of fuel (or tyres) - then come in and the next car takes over?
So what happens if someone has an off or a mechanical failure on the far side of the circuit? Does the whole team pack up and go home, or can the rest carry on?
I assume that the way it works normaly is that a car comes into the pits and 'tags' the next car which takes over and goes out.
Presumably you stay out until you're nearly out of fuel (or tyres) - then come in and the next car takes over?
So what happens if someone has an off or a mechanical failure on the far side of the circuit? Does the whole team pack up and go home, or can the rest carry on?
griff2be said:
What's the story with DNF's etc?
in the normal course of events you always have one car waiting in the pit ready to go out. the current car comes in the pits, the new car tags on behind it, the lead car peels off at the end of the pits and the other one carries on to the track.
If you get a car stuck on the circuit, as soon as you are sure its stopped, you simply send the next car out.
using the transponders if they see you have more than one car circulating neither laps count, until the other car comes in.
If you do have a car stopped on the circuit they will recover it to the pits and it can go out again later.
last year we started with 5 tasmins ( 6 drivers)
lost one bonnet( and took header tank with it)
broke one damper
one car in the wall ( dont get on the outside of a fraser nash in a bend)
I was due to take the flag but my borowed engine started to mis-fire ( loose ignition feed)
we also managed to send one car out without a transponder, but they still credited us with the laps.
With 5-6 cars that carnt run for an hour you are going to struggle for an out and out win. but with some good driving, slick change overs and consistancy without problems we should be able to put on a good showing.
The taz team were doing well untill we hit problems..
>> Edited by Graham on Thursday 1st July 12:49
From memory of when I did this about 3 years ago, the team gets two transponders, one of which is fitted to the "live" car out on track, and the other is fitted to the car that's sitting ready to go out with driver belted in etc...
When the car that's currently running comes into the pits, the next car can leave. If the "live" car stops out on circuit, the second car can go out, but if you make a mistake and have both cars on track at once, I think the laps don't count until you bring one in.
You then need to get the transponder off the dead car back to the pits before the next car has to go out!
ETA: Beaten to it by Graham!
>> Edited by ehasler on Thursday 1st July 12:51
When the car that's currently running comes into the pits, the next car can leave. If the "live" car stops out on circuit, the second car can go out, but if you make a mistake and have both cars on track at once, I think the laps don't count until you bring one in.
You then need to get the transponder off the dead car back to the pits before the next car has to go out!
ETA: Beaten to it by Graham!
>> Edited by ehasler on Thursday 1st July 12:51
DustyC said:
This sounds like bloody good fun!
Its one of the Hidden gems of British Motorsport
the mix of cars is fantastic... and you'd be surprised how quick those pre war gp cars are in a straight line.
one min you can be fighting with a MGB, then tripping over an A40 whilst avoiding a flying radical with a BMW M3 on its tail, then at the next bend your trying to work out which side of the 1920's Aston Martin you want to go past, as you see the Lola T70 dive into the pits !!!!
griff2be said:
Seems to me the trick is not to try too hard in qualifying in these handicap events!
Ahh their on to that one. They take you handicap time from a previous results sheet. i.e my last and quickest lap time happens to be at the birkett last year so i'll give them a results sheet for then showing the time.
They also reserve the right to amend your handicap time if they think you are taking the p...
i.e i dont think they'll belive your fastest time in the tuscan around silverstone national is a 1m 30 sec
They are very good at the handicaping and it all works very well. they have had about 50 years to perfect the system...
The trick is to not go very fast in previous races at Silverstone, as your handicap is based on your previous fastest lap times.
Starting position is pretty irrelevant unless you're going for the overall scratch win, which we won't be doing (unless we all upgrade to Radical SR3s or Tuscan race cars before October!)
You tend to do well if you have reliable, consistent cars/drivers, and good team work in the pits, plus a dedicated person on the pitwall to dictate who goes out and comes in when.
You can easily lose several laps if you don't always have a driver ready to go out as soon as the previous car has left (e.g., I had an alternator problem in one of my stints, so pulled off after something like 2 laps), and even 3 or 4 laps can make a big difference to your overall position.
Starting position is pretty irrelevant unless you're going for the overall scratch win, which we won't be doing (unless we all upgrade to Radical SR3s or Tuscan race cars before October!
) You tend to do well if you have reliable, consistent cars/drivers, and good team work in the pits, plus a dedicated person on the pitwall to dictate who goes out and comes in when.
You can easily lose several laps if you don't always have a driver ready to go out as soon as the previous car has left (e.g., I had an alternator problem in one of my stints, so pulled off after something like 2 laps), and even 3 or 4 laps can make a big difference to your overall position.
ehasler said:
We would need to install an enlarged fuel tank in the Tuscan, but I don't think that is a problem.
I've only got 20 litres in the Westfield, so will only be able to do 25-30 minute stints.
How does this compare to everyone else?
Similar! We're racing at Silverstone before Birkett (August), so I'll try to get an accurate 'range' figure for race conditions.
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