London GP.............ideas.
Discussion
Ok so Red Ken likes the idea, the public obviously did, until they see what the price will be. The drivers like the idea as long as it's safe.
Well, I've seen this plan of a possibly circuit (posted on the GG thread by me)
But I think that would fail on the safety aspect, the Regent St end is just too narrow and confined.
So I have looked at the area and using current roads come up with this idea. I have no idea how long the track would be or if it would make for an exciting race but I have tried to put some overtaking spots in it. The best thing is that it being almost entirely based in Hyde Park, grandstands can be built, saftey can be ensured. A bit like Albert Park in Melbourne.
Alterations can easily be made too.
Start/Finish middle of the bottom straight.
Well, I've seen this plan of a possibly circuit (posted on the GG thread by me)
But I think that would fail on the safety aspect, the Regent St end is just too narrow and confined.
So I have looked at the area and using current roads come up with this idea. I have no idea how long the track would be or if it would make for an exciting race but I have tried to put some overtaking spots in it. The best thing is that it being almost entirely based in Hyde Park, grandstands can be built, saftey can be ensured. A bit like Albert Park in Melbourne.
Alterations can easily be made too.
Start/Finish middle of the bottom straight.
FourWheelDrift said:
two words. BRANDS HATCH!
Two words, "No overtaking".
IMHO Brands Hatch would not be suited to modern F1 cars.
"no overtaking" no change to modern F1 then!
have you seen the plan? there is a small chance they could outbrake one another at marble arch and the end of oxford street but other that that its a procession.
the onl
Brands would be awesome in an F1 car, Scott Mansell seems to enjoy the Indy circuit in the BOSS car!
Why waste millions trying to make a London GP when Brands Hatch is already there. With the money they waste in London, Brands could be upgraded for the benefit of all British motorsport!. Its time people relaised that there is more to British Motorsport than an annual procession at an old airfield in northamptonshire!
For a start... it'll never happen, so all this talk is theorectical.
Second, if there is no overtaking at Brands Hatch, how the hell would a street race around London be any different? Monaco anyone?
You'd need to find roads that haven't got too many manholes and bumps and pot-holes where the water board/electric companies/phone companies/gas board haven't been digging them up every few weeks.
London just doesn't have the infrastructure to hold a race around its streets. Funny how all th hype has got the country talking about F1 at the time of the British GP and when the sport is taking a battering from falling tv viewing levels and lower tickets sales.
Hmmmm.
Second, if there is no overtaking at Brands Hatch, how the hell would a street race around London be any different? Monaco anyone?
You'd need to find roads that haven't got too many manholes and bumps and pot-holes where the water board/electric companies/phone companies/gas board haven't been digging them up every few weeks.
London just doesn't have the infrastructure to hold a race around its streets. Funny how all th hype has got the country talking about F1 at the time of the British GP and when the sport is taking a battering from falling tv viewing levels and lower tickets sales.
Hmmmm.
Racefan_uk said:
For a start... it'll never happen, so all this talk is theorectical.
Precisely what I've said on other threads. This is just hypothetical and I thought I could come up with a better layout
Racefan_uk said:
Second, if there is no overtaking at Brands Hatch, how the hell would a street race around London be any different? Monaco anyone?
The nature and corner speeds at Brands Hatch do not advocate overtaking in modern F1 cars, for that you need straights and tight slow corners, hence any street track can make this happen as most (apart from monaco) have long streets and 90 degree or greater turns/corners.
Monaco is limited by it's area, they cannont change the track too much, any big city can put a track layout down almost anywhere to suit the cars racing on it.
Racefan_uk said:
You'd need to find roads that haven't got too many manholes and bumps and pot-holes where the water board/electric companies/phone companies/gas board haven't been digging them up every few weeks.
Well at least it would get the roads repaired, they filled in potholes in one morning before the run this week that have been around for years,
Racefan_uk said:
London just doesn't have the infrastructure to hold a race around its streets.
They said the same about a GP held in the car park of Caesers Palace, Las Vegas. That only took place once, thankfully.
Racefan_uk said:
Funny how all th hype has got the country talking about F1 at the time of the British GP and when the sport is taking a battering from falling tv viewing levels and lower tickets sales.
Yes, It's just a Bernie ploy to put pressure on Silverstone to update it's facilities (which I have already said on the other thread)
hmmm
that hyde park cicuit is actually quite a good idea!!
only problem is that it isn't so much a London GP then (should have more london sights etc)
maybe it could use the coronation road (think thats what its called) as a run down to the buck house hair pin!
i was at the farse the other night, and although i got to see so much up close (pits, cars, drivers, drivers GFs!!, TV chaps, etc) it needed a lot more thought
and harvey goldsmith must be banned from the next one, or his behaviour controled!
that hyde park cicuit is actually quite a good idea!!
only problem is that it isn't so much a London GP then (should have more london sights etc)
maybe it could use the coronation road (think thats what its called) as a run down to the buck house hair pin!
i was at the farse the other night, and although i got to see so much up close (pits, cars, drivers, drivers GFs!!, TV chaps, etc) it needed a lot more thought
and harvey goldsmith must be banned from the next one, or his behaviour controled!
Racefan_uk said:
London just doesn't have the infrastructure to hold a race around its streets..
Actually, London has probably the best infastructure of any city in the world in this respect. Given that 11m people are shipped in and out of the place daily, 100,000 on a Sunday shouldn't be a problem.
The two main stumbling blocks are safety and cost. The circuit would be one of the fastest - certainly for a street circuit and a promoter would be needed to stump up the costs.
Both are easily overcome.
As for Brands Hatch... if ever a circuit was made for overtaking, this is it!
steviebee said:
As for Brands Hatch... if ever a circuit was made for overtaking, this is it!
Not in a modern F1 car, they can't overtake in medium speed corners, the only slow corner at BH is Druids and there is no way an F1 car is going to be able to get close enough through Paddock Hill and the short run up to Druids to overtake. Current F1 cars need long straights and slow corners eg. Turn 1 at Sepang, Indianpolis, Barcelona & Bahrain. the Bus Stop at Spa, Adelaide hairpin at Magny Cours, Spitkehre at Hockenheim, Abbey Corner at Silverstone, the Triangle Chicane after 130R at Suzuka, Curva 1 at Interlagos and the NGK Chicane, Haug Haken at the Nurburgring.
Brands Hatch in a modern F1 car would be dull, dull, dull and ruin everyone's opinion of it and F1 will never come back even when changes to the cars are made in the next few that could work there and allow overtaking.
steviebee said:
Actually, London has probably the best infastructure of any city in the world in this respect. Given that 11m people are shipped in and out of the place daily, 100,000 on a Sunday shouldn't be a problem.
Okay, but what about Friday and Saturday..? Plus those 11m people already there doing their daily business.?
Four words. It Will Never Happen.
Despite what Bernie said on the TV on Sunday afternoon. The sooner people realise that it was/is just a publicity stunt, the sooner people will go back to realising that F1 has become the most tedious and boring form of motorsport today.
I like the idea of a GP at Brands Hatch. But then, it wouldn't be a 'London GP' then, would it? It would be the British GP at Brands Hatch, rather than Silverstone.
The only other track in the UK with the facilities to match Silverstone currently, is Rockingham, and its now FIA approved (I believe, could be wrong about that though) If they can hold a race at Indy using the infield, why not Rockingham? As Bernie says, all it needs is a promoter with the money...
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