F. Woman... A femenist triumph!
Discussion
Hey Andy Mac, I did a guest appearance in the AVO Ginetta Champs following my eviction with some seriously experienced drivers inc.Rob Austin, an ex ETCC Champ and Shane Lynch ex GT Racer and got up to 14th out of a grid of 30, in my first ever race situation. Im desperate to get out there and prove myself further, Ive no doubt Id`ve had given these girls a run for their money despite all their bloody previous experience in karting, track days etc etc...
crankedup said:
You jump in to quick you young fella's, forget what you see on the screen and see which woman wins through. Then lets wait to see, I tell you there are some damn fine female racing drivers out there and within 6 months I reckon there will be another
Ahh I see
Your average 'top class' male racing driver:
Started Karting when he was under ten
Progressed through various open wheel single seater cars
Endures setbacks - rejection, bad luck, poor judgements etc etc
Came back from them, strengthened his resolve, believed in himself, raised funding himself, probably had several do or die career moment
'top class' female driver:
Applied to be on some sh1t ITV reality TV garbage in her twenties/thirties to compete against a load of other women who applied to be on some sh1t ITV reality TV garbage.
Your 'avin a larf intcha
Please bear in mind that at the time of entering this competition we were completely unaware that this was even to be televised let alone classified as the next Reality TV Show, many of us would not have put ourselves up for this farce had we known it was anything other than a sincere attempt to get talented women into the male dominated sport.
I have known that "Delalio"'s personal circumstances were used to make good TV. The truth is that she had declared to the organisers (Mr Glew) on the Friday before the elimination camp. Amy is not the one hiding the truth here. I know girls who did cheat! I texted the answers to the written test to someone I was helping! The question was the difference between oversteer and understeer! That girl is now a reserve driver!
delalio said:
Please bear in mind that at the time of entering this competition we were completely unaware that this was even to be televised let alone classified as the next Reality TV Show, many of us would not have put ourselves up for this farce had we known it was anything other than a sincere attempt to get talented women into the male dominated sport.
My tip would be if you want to do that find a young girl who dreams about it when she's eight, put her in a kart.
Motorsport driving is dominated by men because thats how the boys do it.
It is not male dominated because racing team owners are mysoginistic, they want a person who so committed they never thought of doing anything else and there are plenty of them about.
Until there are women (and by that I mean girls) who r willing to show the sort of commitment racing drivers show from when they can reach the pedals it's not going to happen. You're too late to change the world yourself but you could make it happen.
And no amount of flouncing about in a RX8 is going to change that
>> Edited by prussianblue450 on Sunday 11th July 17:29
Detalio - do you feel you were misled?
I'm not trying to be smart but it does seem that TV programmes are deviating more and more from "reality" and "truth" on an effort to provide onscreen "conflict" and "drama".
On of the world's most reknowned motorsport historians recently felt he had to disassociate himself from a Channel 4 programme on pre-war racing driver because he felt that the comments he made were edited in such a way to make him seem like he was saying something quite different toi what he actually did say.
As far as I can see, TV is now one big lie and you cannot believe ANYTHING you see on it anymore.
I'm not trying to be smart but it does seem that TV programmes are deviating more and more from "reality" and "truth" on an effort to provide onscreen "conflict" and "drama".
On of the world's most reknowned motorsport historians recently felt he had to disassociate himself from a Channel 4 programme on pre-war racing driver because he felt that the comments he made were edited in such a way to make him seem like he was saying something quite different toi what he actually did say.
As far as I can see, TV is now one big lie and you cannot believe ANYTHING you see on it anymore.
Hi Delalio,
Apart from your good self; who do you think should of been in the final 16? Karen Andrews, Emma haxby and Rachel Smith can all clearly drive. Is it because they were not jet pilots and opera singers they were rejected? I would also like your opinions of the following judges in view of being a racing driver.
1. Brian Jones
2. Gloria Budd
3 Tim Harvey
4 Ken Pollock
5 Graeme Glew
There is also the mystery of Katherine Legge; why did she walk out of the show? - The reason shown on the TV is not true!
Do you know anyone that has sung on the Formula Woman CD? (Gazboy wants a signed copy! not!) Rachel Kimber says she will have nothing to do with it.
Amy,
Did you sign the "official Secret Act" or any other sticky document? I believe some of the girls still have to sign.
And finally your opinions on this track day site!
www.trackdayqueen.com
Is this a joke???
regards
James
Apart from your good self; who do you think should of been in the final 16? Karen Andrews, Emma haxby and Rachel Smith can all clearly drive. Is it because they were not jet pilots and opera singers they were rejected? I would also like your opinions of the following judges in view of being a racing driver.
1. Brian Jones
2. Gloria Budd
3 Tim Harvey
4 Ken Pollock
5 Graeme Glew
There is also the mystery of Katherine Legge; why did she walk out of the show? - The reason shown on the TV is not true!
Do you know anyone that has sung on the Formula Woman CD? (Gazboy wants a signed copy! not!) Rachel Kimber says she will have nothing to do with it.
Amy,
Did you sign the "official Secret Act" or any other sticky document? I believe some of the girls still have to sign.
And finally your opinions on this track day site!
www.trackdayqueen.com
Is this a joke???
regards
James
Hey Prussinblue, you speak from your armchair, do you really think that only gardeners plant plants. Grow up, I am simply letting you know that one of these ladies is to become known.
So far as driving is concerned it's a shame that Gina is'nt spoke of as often as deserved, she should be, the only female to collect world champ points in F1.
Wait to see my PH friend, wait to see.
So far as driving is concerned it's a shame that Gina is'nt spoke of as often as deserved, she should be, the only female to collect world champ points in F1.
Wait to see my PH friend, wait to see.
jamesc said:
I have known that "Delalio"'s personal circumstances were used to make good TV. The truth is that she had declared to the organisers (Mr Glew) on the Friday before the elimination camp. Amy is not the one hiding the truth here. I know girls who did cheat! I texted the answers to the written test to someone I was helping! The question was the difference between oversteer and understeer! That girl is now a reserve driver!
James having assisted someone in cheating, how can you get on your high horse about the organisers cheating with their own agenda and that Delalio didn't get through when she should have. You hardly helped the cause of fair play by your actions.
As for watching the program I did for all of 10 minutes and switched over. I expected to see women driving cars around a track. All I saw in the first ten minutes was codswallop. aimed at a non motoring enthusiast audience.
DAZ
delalio said:
Hey Andy Mac, I did a guest appearance in the AVO Ginetta Champs following my eviction with some seriously experienced drivers inc.Rob Austin, an ex ETCC Champ and Shane Lynch ex GT Racer and got up to 14th out of a grid of 30, in my first ever race situation. Im desperate to get out there and prove myself further, Ive no doubt Id`ve had given these girls a run for their money despite all their bloody previous experience in karting, track days etc etc...
Thats how it should be done..Instead of segregation, chuck em all in together!
I have no argument with the concept of great female racing drivers past or present.
The idea however that any really talented girl would partake in such a pathetic concept as Formula woman is a big stretch for me. Sure it suits those taking part as a great cover to what is in my opinion simply vanity and covers over the real issue here which is that successful male (and female) racing drivers are committed from such an early age that the rest of us cannot compete.
Women! You're not being discriminated against or overlooked, you just missed the boat, like most men who would've liked a shot!
>> Edited by prussianblue450 on Sunday 11th July 17:51
The idea however that any really talented girl would partake in such a pathetic concept as Formula woman is a big stretch for me. Sure it suits those taking part as a great cover to what is in my opinion simply vanity and covers over the real issue here which is that successful male (and female) racing drivers are committed from such an early age that the rest of us cannot compete.
Women! You're not being discriminated against or overlooked, you just missed the boat, like most men who would've liked a shot!
>> Edited by prussianblue450 on Sunday 11th July 17:51
Eric Mc said:
Detalio - do you feel you were misled?
I'm not trying to be smart but it does seem that TV programmes are deviating more and more from "reality" and "truth" on an effort to provide onscreen "conflict" and "drama".
On of the world's most reknowned motorsport historians recently felt he had to disassociate himself from a Channel 4 programme on pre-war racing driver because he felt that the comments he made were edited in such a way to make him seem like he was saying something quite different toi what he actually did say.
As far as I can see, TV is now one big lie and you cannot believe ANYTHING you see on it anymore.
Hi Eric,
I am afraid you are spot on. Perhaps we should e-mail Richard Hay to tell the truth about Amy and the work she does for young drivers. I know that Amy was misled over the whole thing.
Shame on you Richard Hay, Graeme Glew, Tim Harvey and Ken Pollock.
If these four want to do the decent thing then they should provide a car for Amy a the Brands Hatch Formula Woman race.
Richard Hay races in the Tuscan Challenge sponsored by Street TVR (Droitwich Garage). Come on Richard! do the right thing and put things right for Amy.
I note with interest that they mentioned only very quickly at the end that some of the girls 'took more than one go' at passing their ARDS test (even though they were in the RX8's that they'd been driving for some time). The ones that were shown as having spins would have obviously failed. I understand it was more than just one or two that failed at Silverstone and some ended up taking their test at another circuit.
Thought it was interesting that, in the editing, Katherine Legge gave no response to Tim Harvey or Graeme Glew.
Thought it was interesting that, in the editing, Katherine Legge gave no response to Tim Harvey or Graeme Glew.
Missed this programme so can't really comment on the content. As a female I do get pissed off with this sort of thing tho'. If a woman is good she will make the grade. I wanted to be an Estate Agent (sad I know) and that was in the 70's when women didn't do that sort of thing and well before the sexual discrimination act. Managed to convince the manager of a local Estate Agents to give me a go - even tho 26 others had rejected the idea. Became their best sales person - until I got bored and disillusioned in the boom of the 80's and went off and did something else.
Whatever next - Formula Black people - coz I can't for the life of me remember the name of a UK black racing driver.
Whatever next - Formula Black people - coz I can't for the life of me remember the name of a UK black racing driver.
Isn't Richard Hay related to Neville Hay?
I am thoroughly disenchanted with the way TV is portraying motorsport through these types of programmes, and the way people I have had the greatest respect for in the past seem to be prepared to demean themselves by partcipating in such patent nonsense.
As far as I can tell, there are no barriers to women partcipating in motorsport. They just need to have the same drive and ambition as anybody else if they want to succeed in it at a professional level.
I would like to see more girls taking part in motorsport at club level - or even taking part in track days and sprints. At any of the events I've taken part in over the past four years (both track days and sprints), on a rough average of 100 participants at each event, I'd say only three or four were female. If girls aren't even showing interest at this very basic level of track driving, how can they expect to get decent numbers taking part in more "serious" racing?
I am thoroughly disenchanted with the way TV is portraying motorsport through these types of programmes, and the way people I have had the greatest respect for in the past seem to be prepared to demean themselves by partcipating in such patent nonsense.
As far as I can tell, there are no barriers to women partcipating in motorsport. They just need to have the same drive and ambition as anybody else if they want to succeed in it at a professional level.
I would like to see more girls taking part in motorsport at club level - or even taking part in track days and sprints. At any of the events I've taken part in over the past four years (both track days and sprints), on a rough average of 100 participants at each event, I'd say only three or four were female. If girls aren't even showing interest at this very basic level of track driving, how can they expect to get decent numbers taking part in more "serious" racing?
Eric Mc said:
Isn't Richard Hay related to Neville Hay?
I am thoroughly disenchanted with the way TV is portraying motorsport through these types of programmes, and the way people I have had the greatest respect for in the past seem to be prepared to demean themselves by partcipating in such patent nonsense.
As far as I can tell, there are no barriers to women partcipating in motorsport. They just need to have the same drive and ambition as anybody else if they want to succeed in it at a professional level.
I would like to see more girls taking part in motorsport at club level - or even taking part in track days and sprints. At any of the events I've taken part in over the past four years (both track days and sprints), on a rough average of 100 participants at each event, I'd say only three or four were female. If girls aren't even showing interest at this very basic level of track driving, how can they expect to get decent numbers taking part in more "serious" racing?
Thank you!!!!!
Hi folks
As one who watched today's programme re Formula Woman, I was both amused and intrigued. There have been reality shows covering practically every aspect of life, but this one really takes the biscuit. I have to declare an interest. I am the father of Neil Purdie who took part in Channel 5's "Be a Grand Prix Driver" last year (finishing runner-up), which I believe had a serious intent in trying to find the next Jenson Button or David Coulthard. That programme didn't feel the need to put the participants through tests in water and fire, or psychology - what was that all about? Maybe it's just the female phsyche. What they did have to do however, after extreme fitness testing, was to start with karting, going through the various disciplines from BMW Saloons - to single seaters including Formula Zip, Formula Renault, Formula 3, at a variety of major circuits, sometimes in the most appalling weather conditions, until the final two rounds at Donington and Monza racing in a Ford Tyrrell F1 car. The final produced two drivers of great talent - Mark Johnston, the winner and my son. Both are pursuing careers in motor sport with some success, as indeed are others who took part - notably Stratton McKay. Can I ask, is this the intent of the producers of today's programme? I doubt it. I really believe it is intended to be light Sunday afternoon entertainment, with a few laughs along the way. After all, my son didn't blurt out between sobs "I love you Mummy, I love you Daddy, and I love all my work mates." Neil, being a JCB driver would have had some unrepeatable comments from his work mates.
As one who watched today's programme re Formula Woman, I was both amused and intrigued. There have been reality shows covering practically every aspect of life, but this one really takes the biscuit. I have to declare an interest. I am the father of Neil Purdie who took part in Channel 5's "Be a Grand Prix Driver" last year (finishing runner-up), which I believe had a serious intent in trying to find the next Jenson Button or David Coulthard. That programme didn't feel the need to put the participants through tests in water and fire, or psychology - what was that all about? Maybe it's just the female phsyche. What they did have to do however, after extreme fitness testing, was to start with karting, going through the various disciplines from BMW Saloons - to single seaters including Formula Zip, Formula Renault, Formula 3, at a variety of major circuits, sometimes in the most appalling weather conditions, until the final two rounds at Donington and Monza racing in a Ford Tyrrell F1 car. The final produced two drivers of great talent - Mark Johnston, the winner and my son. Both are pursuing careers in motor sport with some success, as indeed are others who took part - notably Stratton McKay. Can I ask, is this the intent of the producers of today's programme? I doubt it. I really believe it is intended to be light Sunday afternoon entertainment, with a few laughs along the way. After all, my son didn't blurt out between sobs "I love you Mummy, I love you Daddy, and I love all my work mates." Neil, being a JCB driver would have had some unrepeatable comments from his work mates.
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