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Bernie's claims for "Global TV Audiences" of XXX million should be taken with the proverbial skip load of salt. Did you know that they add together all the programmes over the GP weekend and amalgamate the viewing figures - so they are obviously adding the same people into the total more than once.
Also, it is one of the few sports which is actually broadcast globally LIVE every week-end it's on. Most other sports are national in nature - the only direct comparisons are the Olympics and the World Cup. And they garner MUCH larger figures.
Also, it is one of the few sports which is actually broadcast globally LIVE every week-end it's on. Most other sports are national in nature - the only direct comparisons are the Olympics and the World Cup. And they garner MUCH larger figures.
pwig said:
I enjoyed it
So did I
Eric Mc said:
Did you know that they add together all the programmes over the GP weekend and amalgamate the viewing figures - so they are obviously adding the same people into the total more than once.
Sorry to be so thick, but how do you watch two programmes at once?
Maybe you mean the replays...?
McNab said:And the qualification...
I enjoyed it Eric Mc said:Sorry to be so thick, but how do you watch two programmes at once? Maybe you mean the replays...?
Did you know that they add together all the programmes over the GP weekend and amalgamate the viewing figures - so they are obviously adding the same people into the total more than once.
Apparently they also add the viewing figures from news reports, too. So if you saw a snippet on the news of Schumacher crossing the line, that's classed as 'watching the GP'.
I did watch this one, for a change, and thought it not tooooo bad: but then again I'm a Raikkonen fan...
BUT. Last night on Beeb 2 they showed WSBK from Laguna - the scrap between Laconi and Haga was a classic and the bikes were all out of shape as usual. Streets ahead of F1 in every regard.
I did watch this one, for a change, and thought it not tooooo bad: but then again I'm a Raikkonen fan...
BUT. Last night on Beeb 2 they showed WSBK from Laguna - the scrap between Laconi and Haga was a classic and the bikes were all out of shape as usual. Streets ahead of F1 in every regard.
Yes, they include the highlight programmes and qualification programmes. What groups they double up on is hard to tell because they have never properly explained how the figures are compiled. It would not stand up to any serious scrutiny by the normal TV audience ratings bodies.
F1 is all about hype so a lot of what is pushed out by the publiscists is pretty meaningless - when you look at it correctly.
F1 is all about hype so a lot of what is pushed out by the publiscists is pretty meaningless - when you look at it correctly.
softwaresorcerer said:
Yep. Ten of us at the track, Woodcote grandstand, and TWO fell asleep during the race, one of whom was dressed head to toe (including trainers) in Ferrari gear - just a bit of a fan. If it's that boring, then what hope is there?
Those two guys paid more attention to the Maserati race than the F1. Very telling.
Indeed, very telling.
It is a shame F1 has become as interesting as dish water, and it pains me to say so. But its a cold hard truth. Too many people agree with this view for it just to be an opinion.
Untill those in charge can return F1 to its former glory, I shall be watching Moto GP (yes, I did watch Laguna Sec last night) and the World Rally Championship.
Eric Mc said:
Yes, they include the highlight programmes and qualification programmes. What groups they double up on is hard to tell because they have never properly explained how the figures are compiled. It would not stand up to any serious scrutiny by the normal TV audience ratings bodies.
F1 is all about hype so a lot of what is pushed out by the publiscists is pretty meaningless - when you look at it correctly.
Did have some notes on this for a radio show I did a few months back on the very subject (but can't find them!)
IIRC, it works something like this:
If I watch one race live = I am 1 viewer
If i watch the race live, then the highlights = I am 2 viewers
If I watch ten races and five highlight programmes = I am 15 viewers.
...and so it goes on. However, if 7 million people watch the 6.00pm news and they carry a story about a race, then that also counts for 7 million viewers (even if most of those are featured else where).
This is also how other global viewing figures are calculated BTW.
Bernie doesn't actually publish viewing figures - the FIA does that!
In 2001, they quoted a figure of 39 billion viewers worldwide. Which is odd given there are only 6 billion people on earth.
V8 Archie said:
Just start watching MotoGP instead ...or the SuperBikes. Anyone see James Toseland and Regis Laconi duking it out at Laguna Seca last night? Now that was racing! And they're team mates
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Ahonen said:
Last night on Beeb 2 they showed WSBK from Laguna - the scrap between Laconi and Haga was a classic and the bikes were all out of shape as usual. Streets ahead of F1 in every regard.
Couldn't agree more!... and it's the same every year too, Hodgson v Xaus in 2003, Edwards v Bayliss in 2002 and before that the Fogarty years with all his scraps against Slight and Corser.
The last time F1 had action like that was Villeneuve v Arnoux in the French GP more than 20 years ago!!!
To be honest, F1 was never a hive of overtaking and re-overtaking. The only race most can remember is the 1979 French GP at Dijon - mainly because the TV coverage still exists and gets dragged out every so often. Some of the Italian GPs at Monza up to 1971 had lots of overtaking due to the lack of chicanes and little or now downforce of the cars up to that time but not much film or TV footage exists of these races.
However, right up to about 1991/92 there was still a fair amount of on-track action (often provided by Nigel Mansell) and not too much reliance on pit-stop strategies to make overtaking moves.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 14th July 09:22
However, right up to about 1991/92 there was still a fair amount of on-track action (often provided by Nigel Mansell) and not too much reliance on pit-stop strategies to make overtaking moves.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 14th July 09:22
Problem is that F1 team owners have their heads up their arsets and until they pull them out nothing will change.
Qualifying is simple. Go back to the old hour format with 12 laps. Each car must run one 3 lap segment every 15 minutes or they lose 3 laps and one set of tyres. That avoids problem that the current format was brought in to avoid i.e no one running for first half hour in case sun didn't shine.
Sticky tyres and smaller wings. Therefore less engine developement needed as harder to get power down.
Keep pit stops but limit number of crew working on car to 7 ie. lollipop man, 2 jack men, 2 fuellers and 2 wheel changers who have to work both sides of the car a la Nascar.
Lots cheaper and more of a spectace
Qualifying is simple. Go back to the old hour format with 12 laps. Each car must run one 3 lap segment every 15 minutes or they lose 3 laps and one set of tyres. That avoids problem that the current format was brought in to avoid i.e no one running for first half hour in case sun didn't shine.
Sticky tyres and smaller wings. Therefore less engine developement needed as harder to get power down.
Keep pit stops but limit number of crew working on car to 7 ie. lollipop man, 2 jack men, 2 fuellers and 2 wheel changers who have to work both sides of the car a la Nascar.
Lots cheaper and more of a spectace
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