Poll: Pirelli tyres
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The last comment is the important one. They will get a handle on it. They are very clever chaps in F1.
I like Button in that he is one of the most honest of the current bunch and will explain his opinion rather than just whinge.
I am prety sure that, as the season progresses, an understanding of the tyre behaviour will emerge and the racing will become much more predictable - which seems to be what everybody wants. God knows why.
Hopefully, the rules next year will throw another spanner in the works and we'll get at least half an interesting season in 2013.
I like Button in that he is one of the most honest of the current bunch and will explain his opinion rather than just whinge.
I am prety sure that, as the season progresses, an understanding of the tyre behaviour will emerge and the racing will become much more predictable - which seems to be what everybody wants. God knows why.
Hopefully, the rules next year will throw another spanner in the works and we'll get at least half an interesting season in 2013.
Eric Mc said:
I am prety sure that, as the season progresses, an understanding of the tyre behaviour will emerge and the racing will become much more predictable - which seems to be what everybody wants. God knows why.
I have two complaints about this year's tyres.1) They make the racing too unpredictable, it's meant to be a sport not just entertainment.
2) Tyre management in 2012 appears to mean driving slowly and leaving a gap to the car in front, who wants to see that?
Eric Mc said:
Your argument is that everyone has to believe the words of an active driving World Champion.
not really, look and ye shall find....Before Red Bull's Australian Mark Webber won from pole position in Monaco on Sunday, retired triple champion Niki Lauda was expressing the view that the championship might be becoming too random.
"It was very interesting in the beginning, we all were surprised," the Austrian, who chased the title in 1983 when the first five races had five different winners, told Reuters of the unpredictable nature of the races.
"But if this continues...then we will lose spectators or interest because the main public wants to see the world champions winning.
"We need two races with known winners and then the crazy stuff can start again."
Scuffers said:
Eric Mc said:
Your argument is that everyone has to believe the words of an active driving World Champion.
not really, look and ye shall find....Before Red Bull's Australian Mark Webber won from pole position in Monaco on Sunday, retired triple champion Niki Lauda was expressing the view that the championship might be becoming too random.
"It was very interesting in the beginning, we all were surprised," the Austrian, who chased the title in 1983 when the first five races had five different winners, told Reuters of the unpredictable nature of the races.
"But if this continues...then we will lose spectators or interest because the main public wants to see the world champions winning.
"We need two races with known winners and then the crazy stuff can start again."
iiyama said:
Now I am prepared to disagree with JS on that. Marbles have always existed, although maybe not as early in the race as they are now....
Just come back from the LM test dayThere are more marbles on track from 24 F1 cars in 90mins - going slow!!! than there are from 50+ in the LM 24 hour race. The huge quantity adds to making it less likely to pass, other than with DRS on a straight, or on a pit stop, or if someone’s tyres have hit the wall.
If you are new to F1, then I can understand your enthusiasm, but I cannot understand why some fans refuse to see that they are just not racing for the greater part of the time. They are (relatively) cruising, because they have to, because the tyres will only last 5-7 laps if they actually raced.
That is not managing the tyres under race conditions – it is just driving to a delta; skilful, but not racing.
rdjohn said:
Just come back from the LM test day
There are more marbles on track from 24 F1 cars in 90mins - going slow!!! than there are from 50+ in the LM 24 hour race. The huge quantity adds to making it less likely to pass, other than with DRS on a straight, or on a pit stop, or if someone’s tyres have hit the wall.
There is intense tyre competition in Endurance racing. In American Le Mans/World Endurance, Dunlop, Michelin, Falken, Yokohama and Pirelli are all represented. It drives excellence in tyre design and the rules encourage double and triple stinting of tyres. However, in fairness to F1, there is a lot of 'driving to a Delta time' in endurance racing too.There are more marbles on track from 24 F1 cars in 90mins - going slow!!! than there are from 50+ in the LM 24 hour race. The huge quantity adds to making it less likely to pass, other than with DRS on a straight, or on a pit stop, or if someone’s tyres have hit the wall.
I posted something from this interview earlier. The old Michelin boss is wonderfully indiscreet when he tells of the day Bernie asked his opinion on Pirelli.
http://memoiresdestands.hautetfort.com/archive/201...
Fernando Alonso not ruling out a Ferrari victory in Canadian Grand Prix
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100240
Obviously, it is Fernando’s turn for the good tyres agian this week!
Stop playing games with fans. Let’s see some real racing for the finish.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100240
Obviously, it is Fernando’s turn for the good tyres agian this week!
Stop playing games with fans. Let’s see some real racing for the finish.
rdjohn said:
When LH said it may be a one-stopper, my heart sank. Ironic as it was the excitement of Canada 2010 that Pirelli were asked to emulate.
Fortunately I do not have Sky and so wont have to endure the tedium.
If you don't enjoy the race when u see it, may I recommend another series. It was another epic, not fake, not engineered. Just epic Fortunately I do not have Sky and so wont have to endure the tedium.
Megaflow said:
Sorry, tedium?
Possibly the best race ever.
How anybody can slate these tyres when they produce a race like that is beyond me.
So you are clearly happy with Button in 16th - same car? Possibly the best race ever.
How anybody can slate these tyres when they produce a race like that is beyond me.
Lewis drove his Plan A perfectly, potter round for two stints and then really go for it, pass the 1-stoppers when thay are lame ducks.
He sold the dummy perfectly in the Friday press conference when he said he might one-stop. Ferrari and Red Bull bought it.
Megaflow said:
Sorry, tedium?
Possibly the best race ever.
How anybody can slate these tyres when they produce a race like that is beyond me.
then I must be in the 'beyond' camp.Possibly the best race ever.
How anybody can slate these tyres when they produce a race like that is beyond me.
it's a farce that 2nd and 3rd are there because they drove like grannies all race.
I want to see real racing, NO DRS, no silly tyres.
rdjohn said:
So you are clearly happy with Button in 16th - same car?
Lewis drove his Plan A perfectly, potter round for two stints and then really go for it, pass the 1-stoppers when thay are lame ducks.
He sold the dummy perfectly in the Friday press conference when he said he might one-stop. Ferrari and Red Bull bought it.
I didn't say the situation was perfect, did I.Lewis drove his Plan A perfectly, potter round for two stints and then really go for it, pass the 1-stoppers when thay are lame ducks.
He sold the dummy perfectly in the Friday press conference when he said he might one-stop. Ferrari and Red Bull bought it.
But given a choice between this season and 2004 with Schmacher on a set of Bridgestone's solely designed for his car and refuelling, then I'll take this year everyday of the week.
But, then it would appear the haters are going to hate.
Scuffers said:
then I must be in the 'beyond' camp.
it's a farce that 2nd and 3rd are there because they drove like grannies all race.
I want to see real racing, NO DRS, no silly tyres.
Sorry scuffers, your a valuable forum member but your talking out of your arse. Perez was flying all afternoon. Look at the timing data. it's a farce that 2nd and 3rd are there because they drove like grannies all race.
I want to see real racing, NO DRS, no silly tyres.
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