Silverstone BTCC
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Can I just reinforce what has been said about Neate. After a pretty trying weekend struggling for straight line speed and reliability we finally got the car well sorted for Race 3. It was still more or less at the bottom of the speed traps (which were were 10mph off in Quali) at the end but at least we got it close enough so I could race.
I made up a good few places off the start and the first lap, only to have Neate turn left in the middle of Luffield when I was on the outside, despite the fact that I was actually in front of him. He hit me hard enough that he ended up driving onto the grass having driven 'through' me.
I ended up right at the back again and will now likely have a bill for 6 or 7 grand to fix the now concave passenger side of the Golf. Pocket money for him, but that's a serious wedge of cash for us, in fact it's more than 3 months salary for me personally.
It was clearly 'I'm not having the f
king Golf take me on the outside, so I'm going to have him off'. Regardless of whether he's earned the cash to drive that car, he is dangerous.
I made up a good few places off the start and the first lap, only to have Neate turn left in the middle of Luffield when I was on the outside, despite the fact that I was actually in front of him. He hit me hard enough that he ended up driving onto the grass having driven 'through' me.
I ended up right at the back again and will now likely have a bill for 6 or 7 grand to fix the now concave passenger side of the Golf. Pocket money for him, but that's a serious wedge of cash for us, in fact it's more than 3 months salary for me personally.
It was clearly 'I'm not having the f
king Golf take me on the outside, so I'm going to have him off'. Regardless of whether he's earned the cash to drive that car, he is dangerous. Let's be honest - nothing is quite as bad as WWF!
The bhing, the shunting, the nudging, the crap driving has to stop so maybe the only way to do that is to make all the cars essentially the same.
Compare, if you dare, the BTCC to Bathurst..... You can't because in Aus they race near identical cars without any of the crap we get over here.
No bhing about bigger turbo boost etc etc. no shoving each off at every opportunity. They race hard & they race fair.
Let's think for a minute - three BTCC races or one Bathurst race....... I know which I prefer.
Having said that I am looking forward to Brands Hatch.
The b
hing, the shunting, the nudging, the crap driving has to stop so maybe the only way to do that is to make all the cars essentially the same.Compare, if you dare, the BTCC to Bathurst..... You can't because in Aus they race near identical cars without any of the crap we get over here.
No b
hing about bigger turbo boost etc etc. no shoving each off at every opportunity. They race hard & they race fair.Let's think for a minute - three BTCC races or one Bathurst race....... I know which I prefer.
Having said that I am looking forward to Brands Hatch.
Wh00sher said:
VX Foxy said:
I'm with decadence; that final race was a joke, a circus. WWF for cars. I can see the appeal of P1ATO - he and Matt make for exciting racing - but that should not be possible without some kind of force majeur.
Great drive from JP? bks.
How come his teammate didn`t do as well then ? Same car, no ballast.Great drive from JP? b
ks.I`m not a fan of only one driver, I just enjoy close racing, whoever wins.
A monkey could have won in that car yesterday, some say it did.
Now if that implies that Neate has less ability than the average simian...........well, the truth hurts sometimes.
One other thing that shouldn't be forgotten is that a good piece of this field are little more than average club drivers. It isn't difficult for the likes of Plato, Neal, Sheddon etc to always get to the front, given the car. They are clearly above average club drivers.
The Wookie said:
Can I just reinforce what has been said about Neate. After a pretty trying weekend struggling for straight line speed and reliability we finally got the car well sorted for Race 3. It was still more or less at the bottom of the speed traps (which were were 10mph off in Quali) at the end but at least we got it close enough so I could race.
I made up a good few places off the start and the first lap, only to have Neate turn left in the middle of Luffield when I was on the outside, despite the fact that I was actually in front of him. He hit me hard enough that he ended up driving onto the grass having driven 'through' me.
I ended up right at the back again and will now likely have a bill for 6 or 7 grand to fix the now concave passenger side of the Golf. Pocket money for him, but that's a serious wedge of cash for us, in fact it's more than 3 months salary for me personally.
It was clearly 'I'm not having the fking Golf take me on the outside, so I'm going to have him off'. Regardless of whether he's earned the cash to drive that car, he is dangerous.
Just read this on twitter:I made up a good few places off the start and the first lap, only to have Neate turn left in the middle of Luffield when I was on the outside, despite the fact that I was actually in front of him. He hit me hard enough that he ended up driving onto the grass having driven 'through' me.
I ended up right at the back again and will now likely have a bill for 6 or 7 grand to fix the now concave passenger side of the Golf. Pocket money for him, but that's a serious wedge of cash for us, in fact it's more than 3 months salary for me personally.
It was clearly 'I'm not having the f
king Golf take me on the outside, so I'm going to have him off'. Regardless of whether he's earned the cash to drive that car, he is dangerous. Shaun Hollamby @AmDessex
TOCA looked into the incident when Neates car smashed into the Golf yesterday. Due to a puncture rather than poor driving. I apologise but.. If it was me I would have made a point of coming to apologise and explain. But apparently I am an "idiot" so what do I know! Good luck Andy.
If that's really what happened then fair enough, but he could have come and explained it to me rather than buggering off in his chopper. He also could have backed out of it rather than keeping his foot in and pushing me along while I was across the front of his car!
Frankly though, I want to see the footage before I believe it. Ian Harrison was there at the end of the race and didn't seem to be aware of that being the cause. Who knows Neate might have had to have been banned with one more incident, and as it was only the Golf he took out they'd rather have had him bringing cash and making up the numbers for the last round.
Frankly though, I want to see the footage before I believe it. Ian Harrison was there at the end of the race and didn't seem to be aware of that being the cause. Who knows Neate might have had to have been banned with one more incident, and as it was only the Golf he took out they'd rather have had him bringing cash and making up the numbers for the last round.
The Wookie said:
Unfortunately when you're up against big teams and big money it's a fact of life
ETA - But don't worry Brands will be better. We've got a good baseline setup now and there are less straights!!
Gutted for you that it's getting to this point. Been cheering you along in the little Golf at all the races this year except a couple and so have also seen a fair few cars shoved off by the likes of Neate and Chris James. Regardless of the money and numbers there's going to be a serious accident soon. On Sunday Neate was involved with Jordan, you and someone else who might have been Wrathall across all three races? How has he not been banned yet?ETA - But don't worry Brands will be better. We've got a good baseline setup now and there are less straights!!
Chris James going for a spin on the second lap of race 1 was fairly special as well. The trouble with messing around with the boost etc is it can put fools like him and Neate in the middle of the pack on the starting grid where they can do maximum damage when the inevitably bin it.
Regarding the Plato/Neal thing it was very clear from where I was sitting that the all the Hondas were WELL off the pace. Getting a bit boring now but Gow has what he wants - controversy and people talking about it. Shame for the people who actually want to watch racing but heartbreaking for the teams that have spent everything they have nailing a car together for it to get smashed to bits by a halfwit or mullered on the straights.
Edited by StoatInACoat on Monday 8th October 11:18
Edited by StoatInACoat on Monday 8th October 11:28
The Wookie said:
Unfortunately when you're up against big teams and big money it's a fact of life
ETA - But don't worry Brands will be better. We've got a good baseline setup now and there are less straights!!
My fingers will be crossed for you! We're just deciding whether to make the trip down to Kent. It's a long way, and you do tend to miss a lot because you can't be everywhere at once like the TV cameras, but you can't beat being there and seeing it live.ETA - But don't worry Brands will be better. We've got a good baseline setup now and there are less straights!!
I'm really hoping for a Shedden title, and my O/H is a Plato fan (boo!)
fatboy69 said:
Still a child? Shows just how little you know MGJ.
Not sure what your point is as your ramblings don't always make sense. Quite obvious you are no fan of JP so I guess the equal stupidity of the lanky Hondadriver is more your style.
I have already said that I not JP's biggest fan & have also said I didn't see the third race today - or the first for that matter.
Just for the record - I am old enough to remember the BTCC in its glory days & I can well recall the Cleland, Soper, Harvey battles not to mention many years of racing before that.
Today's 'battles' are child's play compared to what went on between the Vauxhalls, BMW's & Toyota's all those years ago......
Oh yeah - one other thing. I was around when the Rover V8's etc were racing as my team managed to beat a certain works supported team to the British Saloon Car Championship two years on the trot.
Try as they did, by fair means or foul, they couldn't beat us to the title. Only time they managed to beat us 'fair & square' was when we ran the same cars as they did...
Turned out that their cars were 'different' to ours (details of which I will not under any circumstances go into on here) hence we got beaten.
So yes I was around in the halcyon days of Saloon Car racing.
Please lighten up fatboy. A simple yes or no would suffice rather than all those ramblings ... Not sure what your point is as your ramblings don't always make sense. Quite obvious you are no fan of JP so I guess the equal stupidity of the lanky Hondadriver is more your style.
I have already said that I not JP's biggest fan & have also said I didn't see the third race today - or the first for that matter.
Just for the record - I am old enough to remember the BTCC in its glory days & I can well recall the Cleland, Soper, Harvey battles not to mention many years of racing before that.
Today's 'battles' are child's play compared to what went on between the Vauxhalls, BMW's & Toyota's all those years ago......
Oh yeah - one other thing. I was around when the Rover V8's etc were racing as my team managed to beat a certain works supported team to the British Saloon Car Championship two years on the trot.
Try as they did, by fair means or foul, they couldn't beat us to the title. Only time they managed to beat us 'fair & square' was when we ran the same cars as they did...
Turned out that their cars were 'different' to ours (details of which I will not under any circumstances go into on here) hence we got beaten.
So yes I was around in the halcyon days of Saloon Car racing.
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