Silverstone BTCC
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EDLT said:
This AGAIN? As was mentioned earlier in the thread, touring cars has its own section in the blue book regarding track limits, contact and other things. Plato is correct, you have to have all four wheels off the track several times before you get a drive through.
oops silly me,i forgot the prima donna's have their own 'special section' special being the operative word!refoman2 said:
strange,i always thought the race track was the black stuff! another example of touring car drivers thinking they are above the rules and regs!
Are you mad? As said until all 4 wheels are off it's technically okay. There is no advantage running with half the wheels on the grass anyway, so I don't know why you're popping a nerve?refoman2 said:
jasonplato said:
Read the rules buddy, think you will find that 1 wheel on the white line is perfectly within the regs.
This is the problem, so many of you on here talk utter nonsense. You believe you are experts from an armchair.
Cheers JP
strange,i always thought the race track was the black stuff! another example of touring car drivers thinking they are above the rules and regs! what you seem to forget is all the kids watching who are karters/future karters/future BTCC drivers watch the antics of the so called 'superstars' and them getting away with it and then feel that it is the norm to drive off track/punt people out of the way and then wonder why they get their licences suspended etc at club level!This is the problem, so many of you on here talk utter nonsense. You believe you are experts from an armchair.
Cheers JP
its about time the governing body starting coming down hard on these kind of antics then we might actually see some proper racing on the black tarmac stuff!
no advantage? really? on that corner? what it allowed him to do is get into a decent position to have a run up the inside for the next section,had he not had the car on the grass and had to sit in behind like any other normal race series then he might have had to work a little harder and do a proper overtake!(oops silly me i forgot again,btcc drivers have forgotten the art of overtaking without punting someone out of the way!)
refoman2 said:
no advantage? really? on that corner? what it allowed him to do is get into a decent position to have a run up the inside for the next section,had he not had the car on the grass and had to sit in behind like any other normal race series then he might have had to work a little harder and do a proper overtake!(oops silly me i forgot again,btcc drivers have forgotten the art of overtaking without punting someone out of the way!)
But it's allowed. This happens in F1 as well. Vettel does it all the time, Massa did exactly the same with the final wheel on the line in Singapore and it is a legal move in the rules. Everyone has the opportunity to do it.Fine, it positioned him well but it's a risk to do it on grass. You take the penalty of risk with that one.
Were people not watching the race when they say Plato was quickest down the straights due to boost?
Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of s
t look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.
Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of s
t look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
acer12 said:
decadence said:
Who Mat Jackson?
That MG is a Triple 8 car, like i say they are a bit damn good and can make a car go well....its not an MG thats rolled off the Chinese production line and and some flash alloys fitted and been lowered...its a full race car engineered by triple 8 hence why that Andy Neate fella can get anywhere near the top ten cause the car is that good.......i'd be shocked if it wasn't winning with Plato at the helm to be honest...
Give it a rest please. You sound like a deranged stalker, same crap from you on all the btcc threads you stick your nose into, getting very boring at this stageThat MG is a Triple 8 car, like i say they are a bit damn good and can make a car go well....its not an MG thats rolled off the Chinese production line and and some flash alloys fitted and been lowered...its a full race car engineered by triple 8 hence why that Andy Neate fella can get anywhere near the top ten cause the car is that good.......i'd be shocked if it wasn't winning with Plato at the helm to be honest...
EDLT said:
LukeSi said:
In the Formula Renault was there a Jake Dalton racing? Started 18th finished 8th. If so I'm in the same class as him at college.
Someone from the back finished higher up? Must have been fixed.I don't remember the BTCC missing Jason when he was making a fool of himself in V8 super cars...
decadence said:
huh? Is this China? I can say what I want in a BTCC thread about the BTCC. Plato is in the BTCC and I can comment on him and the BTCC as much as I like thank you.
Your first 2 posts on page 1 really highlight your poor attitude which has continued in the majority of your 55 other posts on this threadWell done pistonheads needs more like you
LiamM45 said:
Were people not watching the race when they say Plato was quickest down the straights due to boost?
Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of st look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.
Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
I mentioned that a few pages back, everyone ignored me. Plato has been able to do that all year, it just happens to suit this track which is mostly slow corners and long straights. The MG has awesome brakes too, Neate was taking advantage of them as well.Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of s
t look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
I think the speed traps just show how utterly stupid the boost limit rules are. Whoever posted saying its about torque is spot on. The MG was visibly faster, probably due to better acceleration out of corners - torque shoving the thing forwards, maybe not to the ultimate top speed, but it'll be doing a high speed for a longer period of time. Granted driver will make a difference here holding speed through corners but Gordon/Matt/Mat (and others no doubt) aren't slow drivers and they were utterly nowhere.
I'd love to see telemetry for all NGTCs, but thats maybe a bit geeky.
I think they need to take a hard look at the rules
I'd love to see telemetry for all NGTCs, but thats maybe a bit geeky.
I think they need to take a hard look at the rules
EDLT said:
I mentioned that a few pages back, everyone ignored me. Plato has been able to do that all year, it just happens to suit this track which is mostly slow corners and long straights. The MG has awesome brakes too, Neate was taking advantage of them as well.
sorry i have skimmed over a few posts as most of it is Neal/Plato is a dick, etc.Plato might not be everyone's cup of tea (myself included) but credit where credit is due, he drove the socks off a bloody good car. Yes he might have nudged his way past a couple but this BTCC, where a bit of bumper to bumper driving has been normal for the past 20 years.
The bad side of this is that Plato is teamed with someone who can't get the same speed out of it as he can, not even close to Plato's pace. Andy Neate really did have a bad day at the office on Sunday. The moves on Will Bratt and Andy Jordan were disgraceful. (didn't see Wookie getting punted off)
I've just been catching up with this now and Plato says in the post race interview with Louise after race 3 'That's the best chassis in British Touring Cars at the moment' and the way he was able to hold a tighter line and breeze past people through the apex and exit seems to back that up, so what's the argument for MG not running the lowest boost level in the field at Brands?
I agree that MG don't have a straight line speed advantage over most of the field at the moment, but they are at least competitive on the straights. On the other hand, the Hondas have progressively been handicapped throughout the season for making a decent car, to the point that now they can drive up the inside of someone at the apex, be ahead by the corner exit and yet still lose out to the car they've just passed and sometimes the one behind too by the time they reach the end of the straight. Surely MG should now suffer the same fate?
I agree that MG don't have a straight line speed advantage over most of the field at the moment, but they are at least competitive on the straights. On the other hand, the Hondas have progressively been handicapped throughout the season for making a decent car, to the point that now they can drive up the inside of someone at the apex, be ahead by the corner exit and yet still lose out to the car they've just passed and sometimes the one behind too by the time they reach the end of the straight. Surely MG should now suffer the same fate?
As I said earlier, before being slagged off, the only way to 'make things equal' is to run identical engines.
Think about it - big V8's built by one supplier, all cars rear wheel drive, no ballast if someone wins a race equals no accusations of 'he's running more boost than me, he get less ballast than me' etc etc.
I know that someone said that a cap on budgets was funny but he hasn't said why he thinks that.
The budgets are capped in F1 so why can't they be capped in the BTCC? Seems sensible to me.
At this rate the BTCC will implode. I for one dont want that. What I want is racing without the whinging afterwards which we won't get until things change on the engine front.
Anyone with half a brain could have foretold that non turbo teams would moan about turbo boost being turned up when certain people say 'mum he's quicker than me. It's not fair' & turbo teams would moan about turbo boost being turned down when someone else says 'mum I'm slower than him. It's not fair'.
I know that arguements have festered for years but it isn't what we want or what the sponsors want is it?
This needs to sorted out sooner rather than later & before the sponsors say, simply, 'fk it I can't be arsed with the arguments anymore' & they take their money elsewhere.
I still don't see why budgets cannot be capped or why all the cars cannot have the same engine.
To me, in my own little world of racing perfection, that is the solution.
And to answer someone's question about bringing back Group B into rallying - I don't advocate that at all.
I would bring back rear wheel drive cars powered by a simple four pot 2 litre engine. With a proper gear shift........
Simple & relatively easy solution to that problem as well IMO although I have no doubt that I will get slagged off for daring to say that as well.
Whatever happened to free speech?
It seems that on PH these days free speech is only allowed if you happen to agree with some other people.
Well I don't always agree & I will say what I like, within reason, & shouldn't have to worry about being slagged off for having an opinion.
My opinion isnt always right however it is my own opinion.
Some people don't like Plato, some don't like Neal, some don't like Neate. That is their own opinion & they are entitled to say what they feel if they so wish.
Simple. Isn't it?
Is it not about time that this thread was closed so that we can start whining & bhing about the next three races at Brands Hatch?
Think about it - big V8's built by one supplier, all cars rear wheel drive, no ballast if someone wins a race equals no accusations of 'he's running more boost than me, he get less ballast than me' etc etc.
I know that someone said that a cap on budgets was funny but he hasn't said why he thinks that.
The budgets are capped in F1 so why can't they be capped in the BTCC? Seems sensible to me.
At this rate the BTCC will implode. I for one dont want that. What I want is racing without the whinging afterwards which we won't get until things change on the engine front.
Anyone with half a brain could have foretold that non turbo teams would moan about turbo boost being turned up when certain people say 'mum he's quicker than me. It's not fair' & turbo teams would moan about turbo boost being turned down when someone else says 'mum I'm slower than him. It's not fair'.
I know that arguements have festered for years but it isn't what we want or what the sponsors want is it?
This needs to sorted out sooner rather than later & before the sponsors say, simply, 'f
k it I can't be arsed with the arguments anymore' & they take their money elsewhere.I still don't see why budgets cannot be capped or why all the cars cannot have the same engine.
To me, in my own little world of racing perfection, that is the solution.
And to answer someone's question about bringing back Group B into rallying - I don't advocate that at all.
I would bring back rear wheel drive cars powered by a simple four pot 2 litre engine. With a proper gear shift........
Simple & relatively easy solution to that problem as well IMO although I have no doubt that I will get slagged off for daring to say that as well.
Whatever happened to free speech?
It seems that on PH these days free speech is only allowed if you happen to agree with some other people.
Well I don't always agree & I will say what I like, within reason, & shouldn't have to worry about being slagged off for having an opinion.
My opinion isnt always right however it is my own opinion.
Some people don't like Plato, some don't like Neal, some don't like Neate. That is their own opinion & they are entitled to say what they feel if they so wish.
Simple. Isn't it?
Is it not about time that this thread was closed so that we can start whining & b
hing about the next three races at Brands Hatch?Edited by fatboy69 on Monday 8th October 22:52
Allyc85 said:
Is there any where we can see the cars boost levels for each meeting? Surely the fans deserve to know exactly whats going on if we have to hear about it in each interview!
It's communicated to the teams in the midweek before the race weekend, but is never publicised, except when teams and drivers choose to say something about it, but they never go into figures. I'd love the BTCC to take a leaf from the WTCC and make all the communications and decisions from the stewards to the teams, available on their website, but they won't do that. I can see your point about running cars basically and simply.
Though I would say for the profile of the BTCC for the last 25-30 years really, rear wheel drive and V8s (fun though they may be) are not sufficiently relevant to mainstream car culture in this country - certainly not from a touring car point of view. Any formula would be based on 4 bangers, or maybe a V6. It has always at least partially reflected the 'car on the street'. Even when Ford were there with the Galaxie, or Rover with the SD1, it wasn't all the big bangers.
What you describe sounds good, but it wouldn't be touring cars.
Though I would say for the profile of the BTCC for the last 25-30 years really, rear wheel drive and V8s (fun though they may be) are not sufficiently relevant to mainstream car culture in this country - certainly not from a touring car point of view. Any formula would be based on 4 bangers, or maybe a V6. It has always at least partially reflected the 'car on the street'. Even when Ford were there with the Galaxie, or Rover with the SD1, it wasn't all the big bangers.
What you describe sounds good, but it wouldn't be touring cars.
EDLT said:
LiamM45 said:
Were people not watching the race when they say Plato was quickest down the straights due to boost?
Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of st look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.
Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
I mentioned that a few pages back, everyone ignored me. Plato has been able to do that all year, it just happens to suit this track which is mostly slow corners and long straights. The MG has awesome brakes too, Neate was taking advantage of them as well.Look at the drive Plato was getting out of the corners, he was getting on the power much much earlier than even the rear drive cars, so that by the end of the straight the quicker BMW's and Jackson's Focus was only just catching him. For those who think I'm full of s
t look at Plato's overtaking moves, it looked like he could get back on the power half a second/one second before the car in front, which then let him outdrag even slightly faster cars on the straights. That's good car set up not boost pressure.Good driving coupled with a very good car is going to mean race wins... simple. Interesting to see how Jackson's Focus gets on at Brands, that looks a really good car.
Yes but when that car comes on boost it still had enough grip to hold it's line while powering out of the bend. Plato's car did exactly that, infact he got on the power before the other cars could, that's not torque, that's a good chassis.
Either way, to create the effect you are talking about you could map the car to bring the boost in lower down? Unless the ECU maps are locked by TOCA?
Either way, to create the effect you are talking about you could map the car to bring the boost in lower down? Unless the ECU maps are locked by TOCA?
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