Silverstone BTCC

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MGJohn

10,203 posts

118 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
smartypants said:
MGJohn said:
I hope Plato uses every trick in the book to do better than your chosen ones who always play fair. Just to get on your nerves. Now that would be a result to benefit all of us ... except yow.
heheclap
And there it is... true colours... you dislike Mat Neal and Honda.
No way ... you fell into my no names, no pack drill ploy. Hoisted high by your own decadent wossname ... rofl

You put three and seven together and came up with a name... wink

Have to admit though, as an enthusiast for Soichiro Honda's products, both two and four wheeled versions, bought several new and used over the years, Matt "Squeal" will never be in my top one BTCC driver list ... far from it ... hehe

C'mon Plato, get in there. Looks like according to a certain PHer here, no names no pack drill, the rules and Stewards are always unfairly on your side according to decayed and decadent reasoning. Go on JP, make my day ... smile.. Take full advantage at Brands and in so doing get right up the nostrils of a certain obsessional PH poster on this thread.

Vote Plato ...Plato for KING!

More seriously, come Brands, any result which annoys the obsessional decadence will make my day.

Brung it on ... biggrin



decadence

502 posts

93 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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You sir are mental. Brands Hatch will be awesome , plenty of needle and plenty of men going to do battle. Can't wait, how dull would it be we're it not for this banter from the drivers etc, Plato and Neal probably are sat together now with Alan Gow drinking a few pints laughing to themselves ...
Lighten up MGJohn your last read like you'd ripped your shirt off midway through and you were throthing at the mouth in anger and bitterness...

p.s. I follow BSB rather more avidly than BTCC MGjohn. no obsession with current BTCC. in fact I still watch old 1994 DVD to remember why it was I fell in love with BTCC in the first place...Alfa Romeo showing them how to do it . they knew a think or two about twisting the rule book!

Edited by decadence on Thursday 11th October 17:20

MGJohn

10,203 posts

118 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
You sir are mental. Brands Hatch will be awesome , plenty of needle and plenty of men going to do battle. Can't wait, how dull would it be we're it not for this banter from the drivers etc, Plato and Neal probably are sat together now with Alan Gow drinking a few pints laughing to themselves ...
Lighten up MGJohn your last read like you'd ripped your shirt off midway through and you were throthing at the mouth in anger and bitterness...

p.s. I follow BSB rather more avidly than BTCC MGjohn. no obsession with current BTCC. in fact I still watch old 1994 DVD to remember why it was I fell in love with BTCC in the first place...Alfa Romeo showing them how to do it . they knew a think or two about twisting the rule book!
Well if BTCC is not an obsession with you, you're making a pretty good fist of it on this thread.... smile I admire your tenacity but little else... hehe

Lighten up me? Some truth there, I could do with losing a couple of stone.

I think bikes are really my first love. Seeing those Gileras, MV-Agustas, Nortons, Hondas, Yahamas, Suzukis etc ridden by all those past masters like Hailwood, Read, Surtees, Agostini et al was something the wiser youngsters of today missed out on BIG TIME. On real circuits too like the Mountain Course on the Island.

Great days gone forever.

EDIT to add @ 17:56

Here's my all time favourite GP Bike in a demo run on the Island ~ turn the sound up :~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymT91LupA6M

The rider of that bike in the YouTube is Luigi Taveri. One time in the paddock at Mallory Park, he ran over my left foot on his works Honda. I was tempted not to wash my shoe for a week ... mental you say ~ just a tad where Motor Racing is involved.... wink




Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 11th October 17:56

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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agreed, but still in awe of those chaps on those machines, in whatever era. true warriors.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

118 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
agreed, but still in awe of those chaps on those machines, in whatever era. true warriors.
Some say said:
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This is what a bike should sound like
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iBrb93O_Xg0

Youngsters today, don't know they'ze born .. smile


Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 11th October 18:04

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Pete RS

302 posts

168 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
Not really no cause both cars that walked away with the races (Plato/ Jackson) were the fastest through speed traps also FWD with engines in the front .... you porky guys don't have organisers messing about with boost levels either do you?
So as we know that some cars run with more boost we can make an assumption that more boost equals better torque out of said corners....
Bye bye - silly mistake to have made on my part.

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Pete RS said:
decadence said:
Not really no cause both cars that walked away with the races (Plato/ Jackson) were the fastest through speed traps also FWD with engines in the front .... you porky guys don't have organisers messing about with boost levels either do you?
So as we know that some cars run with more boost we can make an assumption that more boost equals better torque out of said corners....
Bye bye - silly mistake to have made on my part.
No need to be funny about it, its just that you don't have boost levels that can change race to race due to your lap times from previous ones, its a huge difference, your issue is down to driving not because the guy in the other identical (within reason) Porky has more boost than you....
Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..

kodos

242 posts

86 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
No need to be funny about it, its just that you don't have boost levels that can change race to race due to your lap times from previous ones, its a huge difference, your issue is down to driving not because the guy in the other identical (within reason) Porky has more boost than you....
Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..
Decadence = nutter

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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kodos said:
decadence said:
No need to be funny about it, its just that you don't have boost levels that can change race to race due to your lap times from previous ones, its a huge difference, your issue is down to driving not because the guy in the other identical (within reason) Porky has more boost than you....
Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..
Decadence = nutter
so you would compare a one make race series using RWD Rear engined Porkys to BTCC then? hmmmm ok. Sorry for being a nutter...

LiamM45

1,035 posts

115 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
No need to be funny about it, its just that you don't have boost levels that can change race to race due to your lap times from previous ones, its a huge difference, your issue is down to driving not because the guy in the other identical (within reason) Porky has more boost than you....
Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..
Not being funny fella, but Pete RS posted a very good comment regards the speed traps being rather meaningless results and stated how Plato was so quick was due to a very good car underneath him. Pete (from what I have read on here) is an accomplished racing driver, it's like you dismissing advice on football from a Premiership manager. Listen to the guy, I imagine he knows a thing or two wink

kodos

242 posts

86 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
so you would compare a one make race series using RWD Rear engined Porkys to BTCC then? hmmmm ok. Sorry for being a nutter...
No just you in general across the entire thread, you would appear to me to be a nutter

MGJohn

10,203 posts

118 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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decadence said:
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Porky has more boost than you....

Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..
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... and money. Never forget the money.

VX Foxy

3,962 posts

178 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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kodos said:
No just you in general across the entire thread, you would appear to me to be a nutter
You think he's a nutter for discussing his opinion on a discussion forum? You're weird.

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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VX Foxy said:
kodos said:
No just you in general across the entire thread, you would appear to me to be a nutter
You think he's a nutter for discussing his opinion on a discussion forum? You're weird.
Good point.
Be pretty dull if we all agreed on all the same things, or forced to, like China....

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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LiamM45 said:
decadence said:
No need to be funny about it, its just that you don't have boost levels that can change race to race due to your lap times from previous ones, its a huge difference, your issue is down to driving not because the guy in the other identical (within reason) Porky has more boost than you....
Your series comes down to driver and set up ability..
Not being funny fella, but Pete RS posted a very good comment regards the speed traps being rather meaningless results and stated how Plato was so quick was due to a very good car underneath him. Pete (from what I have read on here) is an accomplished racing driver, it's like you dismissing advice on football from a Premiership manager. Listen to the guy, I imagine he knows a thing or two wink
I was pointing out to Pete that lucky for him he dosent have an issue where by the people he is racing against have more boost / torque / horsepower due to the fact they were slow last race. If you read his original post he actually said it was his own driving that was letting him down..which it pretty much will be in one make racing give or take someone with better set up or a bent car...(come on it happens biggrin)

The simple fact is this:

Does the MG have more boost than the Honda / BMW and the rest bar maybe Mat Jacksons NGTC Focus?
Surely someone can answer that simple question because right now i believe that it does. If the MG is running same boost as the Honda then i dont see why Plato cant take the time to let us know, i mean he has posted info on here.
Im sure alot of folks would be keen to know if they are running same boost level...regardless of who they support.

Ollie Jackson has explained already that the Golf is at maximum, so which cars are running max and which arent?
We should as fans know this info each race weekend considering the boost increases for the cars are like an Athlete taking performance enhancing drugs, al be it within the rules of BTCC.


smartypants

36,701 posts

104 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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I think the boost levels have all been explained haven't they?

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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smartypants said:
I think the boost levels have all been explained haven't they?
Have they? So do we know if Plato had more boost than the Honda then at Silverstone?

Jason had this to say in lead up to Silverstone.... he was way off his predictions...dont know how he pulled it off now, he must be amazing, like a super human....

"It's a big concern," the two-time champion (Jason Plato) told AUTOSPORT. "I've had first-hand experience of being at Silverstone in a championship fight with a horsepower disadvantage.

"If there's a chance of overtaking we won't be able to because other cars will just pull away.

"It'll be a frustrating weekend for me, [team-mate] Andy [Neate] and the Hondas.

"It also means the chances of me scoring big points are limited"

kimducati

168 posts

99 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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smartypants said:
I think the boost levels have all been explained haven't they?
Yes, some pages ago, so I for one can't be bothered to look. If I recall correctly, the Honda has the lowest boost, the MG the second lowest. Dont know the actual figures, or the complete 'pecking order' of the rest of the teams. Obviously this information doesn't suit the argument of at least one poster on here, so will be ignored.smile
For what its worth, I think that IF 'balancing' of boost levels MUST be done, then the figures should be published, so that all fans of the series can make their own judgement on the relative performance of drivers and cars.

Kim

smartypants

36,701 posts

104 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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decadence said:
Have they? So do we know if Plato had more boost than the Honda then at Silverstone?

Jason had this to say in lead up to Silverstone.... he was way off his predictions...dont know how he pulled it off now, he must be amazing, like a super human....

"It's a big concern," the two-time champion (Jason Plato) told AUTOSPORT. "I've had first-hand experience of being at Silverstone in a championship fight with a horsepower disadvantage.

"If there's a chance of overtaking we won't be able to because other cars will just pull away.

"It'll be a frustrating weekend for me, [team-mate] Andy [Neate] and the Hondas.

"It also means the chances of me scoring big points are limited"
Jesus, this is called sportsmanship. How many times does ANY sportsman play down their chances of doing well before a big game/match/race?

You need to stop listening and quoting soundbites, and just enjoy the races.

decadence

502 posts

93 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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kimducati said:
smartypants said:
I think the boost levels have all been explained haven't they?
Yes, some pages ago, so I for one can't be bothered to look. If I recall correctly, the Honda has the lowest boost, the MG the second lowest. Dont know the actual figures, or the complete 'pecking order' of the rest of the teams. Obviously this information doesn't suit the argument of at least one poster on here, so will be ignored.smile
For what its worth, I think that IF 'balancing' of boost levels MUST be done, then the figures should be published, so that all fans of the series can make their own judgement on the relative performance of drivers and cars.

Kim
I just said that....we need those figures. Would it make people happier if i started to slag off Mat Neal and kiss Platos ar5e?