Silverstone BTCC
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Roo said:
decadence said:
....we need those figures.
Why?It would also explain why one weekend Wrathall is the great white hope next weekend he's fumbling around the mid pack. It would explain why Sheddon and Neal looked like they were so slow at Silverstone.
Watching lead up to Korean Quali it's telling how much it's about a good driver/ car package, yes there's many add ons and development to get more pace to get that magic advantage... in BTCC that is mainly just simply getting more boost increase overt your biggest rival... it's a joke.
fine if you don't think it is, just keep on telling yourself it's not really happening....
Again try to think of a sport that tries to level up the slowest or worst performers from previous race. it would be like cycling just going "sod it, just let them use performance enhancing drugs, but let the slowest ones use more and the top riders nothing"... it's THAT much of a joke....
More boost = more torque, more BHP. more corner speed entry and exit = more straight line speed = joke series..
JCW said:
decadence said:
I just said that....we need those figures. Would it make people happier if i started to slag off Mat Neal and kiss Platos ar5e?
No. But it would make people happier if you'd just shut the f
k up. VX Foxy said:
JCW said:
No. But it would make people happier if you'd just shut the fk up.
Speak for yourself. k up. decadence said:
Just cause you too pig thick to do anything but shout abuse, it must be frustrating for you to not have the ability or intellect to have a debate do you just shout abuse. Ignorance is bliss, all in doing is telling the way it is and people don't want to believe that Plato won at silverstone due to having more boost and the Hondas were boarked so we got a show down at BH. joke series for anyone serious about motorsport and not just z list TV personality fanboys ..
For such a 'joke series' you spend way too much time forcing your opinions on others.Plenty of people have tried to debate with you but you simply stick to your one sided agenda, successfully hijacking an entire thread. You repeatedly demonstrate your anti-Plato bias, whilst ignoring the opinions of drivers who actually race - it's your opinion, which we've all heard repeatedly, ad nauseum, throughout the entire thread.
What we could have had is a rational discussion, with some additional input from Mr. Plato which for many of us would have been interesting but instead we have to listen to you droning on and on about something you know little about; when faced with posters like you it's no wonder he hasn't rejoined the thread which is disappointing for those of us interested in opinions other than yours, based on actual racing experience, rather than armchair heroics!
You're opinions are very tedious and very boring. We get it, you don't like Plato. Just get over it.
JCW said:
decadence said:
Just cause you too pig thick to do anything but shout abuse, it must be frustrating for you to not have the ability or intellect to have a debate do you just shout abuse. Ignorance is bliss, all in doing is telling the way it is and people don't want to believe that Plato won at silverstone due to having more boost and the Hondas were boarked so we got a show down at BH. joke series for anyone serious about motorsport and not just z list TV personality fanboys ..
For such a 'joke series' you spend way too much time forcing your opinions on others.Plenty of people have tried to debate with you but you simply stick to your one sided agenda, successfully hijacking an entire thread. You repeatedly demonstrate your anti-Plato bias, whilst ignoring the opinions of drivers who actually race - it's your opinion, which we've all heard repeatedly, ad nauseum, throughout the entire thread.
What we could have had is a rational discussion, with some additional input from Mr. Plato which for many of us would have been interesting but instead we have to listen to you droning on and on about something you know little about; when faced with posters like you it's no wonder he hasn't rejoined the thread which is disappointing for those of us interested in opinions other than yours, based on actual racing experience, rather than armchair heroics!
You're opinions are very tedious and very boring. We get it, you don't like Plato. Just get over it.
All Mr Plato has to do is simply come on here and say "the MG had exactly the same ammount of boost as the Hondas of Mat and Gordon"
The i can happily say i was wrong, i can then say that yes maybe that MG is the best chasiss with certainly a great driver on board....
But right now i'm affraid the truth looks like MG thus Mr.Plato have been given more boost than the cars and drivers they are fighting for the championship with....which means that if they have more boost than Team Honda, realistically you cant realy say that the MG and Plato won because of a better car / driver....its BECAUSE OF HAVING MORE BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But if Mr Plato wants to set the record straight about the boost levels at Silverstone i'm all ears as are many many true BTCC and motorsport fans who dont want the BTCC to be turned into any more of an X factor / WWF type pantomime........
Decadence - the rules are being applied as TOCA said they would at the start of the season. They're not tweaking the boost to 'fix' the championship - the rules were designed to prevent any one car running away with the title early on and they're doing exactly that.
Different engines will have different base boost figures - the idea was that all engines would have very similar power and torque outputs to start with. That was the whole point of Lotus testing all the engines pre season.
I would agree it could be useful if TOCA published the timing calculation results and simply if a car has a boost upgrade or not. The amount of boost is meaningless without knowing the car characteristics.
I believe Olly said the car can't make use of any more boost, not that they're at the max TOCA can give. They'd have to redo heads etc to benefit.
Different engines will have different base boost figures - the idea was that all engines would have very similar power and torque outputs to start with. That was the whole point of Lotus testing all the engines pre season.
I would agree it could be useful if TOCA published the timing calculation results and simply if a car has a boost upgrade or not. The amount of boost is meaningless without knowing the car characteristics.
I believe Olly said the car can't make use of any more boost, not that they're at the max TOCA can give. They'd have to redo heads etc to benefit.
decadence said:
Roo said:
decadence said:
....we need those figures.
Why?It would also explain why one weekend Wrathall is the great white hope next weekend he's fumbling around the mid pack. It would explain why Sheddon and Neal looked like they were so slow at Silverstone.
Watching lead up to Korean Quali it's telling how much it's about a good driver/ car package, yes there's many add ons and development to get more pace to get that magic advantage... in BTCC that is mainly just simply getting more boost increase overt your biggest rival... it's a joke.
fine if you don't think it is, just keep on telling yourself it's not really happening....
Again try to think of a sport that tries to level up the slowest or worst performers from previous race. it would be like cycling just going "sod it, just let them use performance enhancing drugs, but let the slowest ones use more and the top riders nothing"... it's THAT much of a joke....
More boost = more torque, more BHP. more corner speed entry and exit = more straight line speed = joke series..
Those with the highest boost, no matter which manufacturer, should be disqualified from the results.
rscott said:
Decadence - the rules are being applied as TOCA said they would at the start of the season. They're not tweaking the boost to 'fix' the championship - the rules were designed to prevent any one car running away with the title early on and they're doing exactly that.
Different engines will have different base boost figures - the idea was that all engines would have very similar power and torque outputs to start with. That was the whole point of Lotus testing all the engines pre season.
I would agree it could be useful if TOCA published the timing calculation results and simply if a car has a boost upgrade or not. The amount of boost is meaningless without knowing the car characteristics.
I believe Olly said the car can't make use of any more boost, not that they're at the max TOCA can give. They'd have to redo heads etc to benefit.
It's no good coming on here and talking sense - he wont listen to that, because it doesn't suit his agenda.Different engines will have different base boost figures - the idea was that all engines would have very similar power and torque outputs to start with. That was the whole point of Lotus testing all the engines pre season.
I would agree it could be useful if TOCA published the timing calculation results and simply if a car has a boost upgrade or not. The amount of boost is meaningless without knowing the car characteristics.
I believe Olly said the car can't make use of any more boost, not that they're at the max TOCA can give. They'd have to redo heads etc to benefit.
Decadence - Your posting style and blinkered approach make it very difficult to debate on here without appearing to 'rise to the bait' of abuse, so I invite you to seek me out at Brands and we can discuss anything you like face to face. We seem to agree on many aspects of where BTC is going wrong ('cos it surely is) but the whole subject of baseline boost levels and performance boost adjustments you seem to completely misunderstand, either by design or ignorance of the basic principles.
I'll be there all weekend, as I often am, if you are going to be there I truly welcome the opportunity to have a chat during any downtime I can wangle.
I mean it - if you're there, lets have a chat!!
Kim
VX Foxy said:
You think he's a nutter for discussing his opinion on a discussion forum? You're weird.
Foxy have you even read the thread???? I am more than up to read and people to engage in debate and opinion. If you read decadence's posts i am referring to what he is actually saying, you would think as said previously JP has ran over his cat.
decadence said:
Because when we see those figures we see the great scandal of current BTCC.
It's getting people in the gate and watching on TV/online. And it's getting people talking. Mr Gow will be very happy about this. I don't think he's going to change anything soon, all because of a one man crusade on an internet forum. If Arena left for the WTCC because they were pissed off with how it was all going and say they feel more welcome and happier in the midfield there, then TOCA aren't going to listen to any of us are they. At the end of the day, the opinions of proper motor racing fans don't count. We all long for the old days of everybody in equal 2.0 N/A cars, with no ballast or turbo boost, international drivers, big sponsors and lots of manufacturers. It isn't going to happen. This is as good as it's going to get. Roo said:
In which case you need to go back to round one of this season and compare the boost levels of all the cars for every round.
Those with the highest boost, no matter which manufacturer, should be disqualified from the results.
they have been Those with the highest boost, no matter which manufacturer, should be disqualified from the results.
we'll give him a clue, the honda's run 1.6 bar
IainW said:
decadence said:
Because when we see those figures we see the great scandal of current BTCC.
It's getting people in the gate and watching on TV/online. And it's getting people talking. Mr Gow will be very happy about this. I don't think he's going to change anything soon, all because of a one man crusade on an internet forum. If Arena left for the WTCC because they were pissed off with how it was all going and say they feel more welcome and happier in the midfield there, then TOCA aren't going to listen to any of us are they. At the end of the day, the opinions of proper motor racing fans don't count. We all long for the old days of everybody in equal 2.0 N/A cars, with no ballast or turbo boost, international drivers, big sponsors and lots of manufacturers. It isn't going to happen. This is as good as it's going to get. I'll not go copy and pasting him anymore as people believe what yet enter to believe but Plato has moaned about boosts and regs and Ford and Honda all season. Suddenly he walks it at Silverstone and odds on for championship and it's all talk of great chassis and driver skill.
That's all. Just see a slight unfairness in his approach to other teams / drivers which as the big man on campus I think allows him to get away with alot...
Roo said:
He's a "personality". It's what they do.
Yep, I think with Jason Plato, to me it's like my dislike of Christianity.It's not Jesus I hate...... it's his 'fan boys' and followers who won't see anything but from their side of belief...
Yes I'm likening Jason Plato to Jesus... he'd probably like that!
( who said I was a nutter?!)
moi?
;-)
decadence said:
Roo said:
He's a "personality". It's what they do.
Yep, I think with Jason Plato, to me it's like my dislike of Christianity.It's not Jesus I hate...... it's his 'fan boys' and followers who won't see anything but from their side of belief...
Yes I'm likening Jason Plato to Jesus... he'd probably like that!
( who said I was a nutter?!)
moi?
;-)
Can we expect you to decay into decadent decline, become and endangered species soon to expire into extinction. .
... you couldn't make it up.
Whatever the outcome at Brands, please keep your postings on the thread down to a more reasonable level. A thousand should be ample ..
MGJohn said:
decadence said:
Roo said:
He's a "personality". It's what they do.
Yep, I think with Jason Plato, to me it's like my dislike of Christianity.It's not Jesus I hate...... it's his 'fan boys' and followers who won't see anything but from their side of belief...
Yes I'm likening Jason Plato to Jesus... he'd probably like that!
( who said I was a nutter?!)
moi?
;-)
Can we expect you to decay into decadent decline, become and endangered species soon to expire into extinction. .
... you couldn't make it up.
Whatever the outcome at Brands, please keep your postings on the thread down to a more reasonable level. A thousand should be ample ..
Allyc85 said:
If ever there was an advert for this forum needing its software updating then the above person would be it. We really could do with an ignore feature...
Oh the irony on this thread is the stuff of forum legend... I like the fact you keep comming back... we will see what happens at BH but I guarantee that the Plato fanboys will all be singing when he's winning but if there's fair equal boost at Brands and when Sheddon wins you'll all be crying foul... turnip fanboys.. get your own life and live it instead of living through Platos achievements...losers.decadence said:
Whatever. The MG is boosted more tgan the Hondas of Neal and Sheddon.... believe what you will you sad little man.
Oh, you you you ... name caller you..Good ! Glad if they're boosted more "tgan" those other sometimes cheats you mention, particularly that big mummy's boy.
By the way... "Whatever".. You sykick or summat? How could you possibly know I'm both sad and little.
You've really cheered me up with erroneous clap trap like that.
You are a obviously a manic depressive Honda must win at all costs ... plonker.
C'mon, own up. Anyone so obviously and incessantly obsessive about this non-event aspect must have an ulterior motive for so being. So what is it really? No more BS please....you've spouted far too much of that to excess already spoiling this topic.
Then the rest of us and can enjoy these threads knowing and understanding why you incessantly undermine and spoil them causing more reasonable former regular BTCC contributors to stay away in droves..
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