The Official Japanese GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
Just pulled up this list of Odds from one of the on-line bookies.
9/4 Lewis Hamilton
4/1 Sebastian Vettel
5/1 Jenson Button
11/2 Fernando Alonso
9/1 Kimi Raikkonen
14/1 Romain Grosjean
16/1 Mark Webber
33/1 Pastor Maldonado
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Nico Rosberg
50/1 Felipe Massa
66/1 Nico Hulkenberg
66/1 Paul Di Resta
80/1 Kamui Kobayashi
100/1 Michael Schumacher
250/1 Bruno Senna
500/1 Daniel Ricciardo
500/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 Heikki Kovalainen
2500/1 Vitaly Petrov
5000/1 Charles Pic
5000/1 Narain Karthikeyan
5000/1 Pedro de la Rosa
5000/1 Timo Glock
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
I have highlighted what I see as an anomaly ~ the differing odds for the two Mercedes drivers. In most of the last few races, at this stage before even any Practice runs, they were approximately around the same odds. Not now. No less than a 60 point difference this time... I wonder what the bookies know that I/we do not ...
I believe Button may have a five place 'gearbox' penalty. If that is true, I'd want rather more than a skinny 5-1 for a Button win....
9/4 Lewis Hamilton
4/1 Sebastian Vettel
5/1 Jenson Button
11/2 Fernando Alonso
9/1 Kimi Raikkonen
14/1 Romain Grosjean
16/1 Mark Webber
33/1 Pastor Maldonado
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Nico Rosberg
50/1 Felipe Massa
66/1 Nico Hulkenberg
66/1 Paul Di Resta
80/1 Kamui Kobayashi
100/1 Michael Schumacher
250/1 Bruno Senna
500/1 Daniel Ricciardo
500/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 Heikki Kovalainen
2500/1 Vitaly Petrov
5000/1 Charles Pic
5000/1 Narain Karthikeyan
5000/1 Pedro de la Rosa
5000/1 Timo Glock
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
I have highlighted what I see as an anomaly ~ the differing odds for the two Mercedes drivers. In most of the last few races, at this stage before even any Practice runs, they were approximately around the same odds. Not now. No less than a 60 point difference this time... I wonder what the bookies know that I/we do not ...
I believe Button may have a five place 'gearbox' penalty. If that is true, I'd want rather more than a skinny 5-1 for a Button win....
S0 What said:
Mojocvh said:
So it had nothing to do with the brush with the wall then
B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
I doubt it, if it did have something to do with the contact with the wall Button wouldn't be having the same problem would he ?B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
Sofoklis said:
S0 What said:
Mojocvh said:
So it had nothing to do with the brush with the wall then
B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
I doubt it, if it did have something to do with the contact with the wall Button wouldn't be having the same problem would he ?B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
MGJohn said:
Just pulled up this list of Odds from one of the on-line bookies.
9/4 Lewis Hamilton
4/1 Sebastian Vettel
5/1 Jenson Button
11/2 Fernando Alonso
9/1 Kimi Raikkonen
14/1 Romain Grosjean
16/1 Mark Webber
33/1 Pastor Maldonado
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Nico Rosberg
50/1 Felipe Massa
66/1 Nico Hulkenberg
66/1 Paul Di Resta
80/1 Kamui Kobayashi
100/1 Michael Schumacher
250/1 Bruno Senna
500/1 Daniel Ricciardo
500/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 Heikki Kovalainen
2500/1 Vitaly Petrov
5000/1 Charles Pic
5000/1 Narain Karthikeyan
5000/1 Pedro de la Rosa
5000/1 Timo Glock
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
I have highlighted what I see as an anomaly ~ the differing odds for the two Mercedes drivers. In most of the last few races, at this stage before even any Practice runs, they were approximately around the same odds. Not now. No less than a 60 point difference this time... I wonder what the bookies know that I/we do not ...
I believe Button may have a five place 'gearbox' penalty. If that is true, I'd want rather more than a skinny 5-1 for a Button win....
10 place grid penalty for MSC from the collision with Verge in Singapore.9/4 Lewis Hamilton
4/1 Sebastian Vettel
5/1 Jenson Button
11/2 Fernando Alonso
9/1 Kimi Raikkonen
14/1 Romain Grosjean
16/1 Mark Webber
33/1 Pastor Maldonado
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Nico Rosberg
50/1 Felipe Massa
66/1 Nico Hulkenberg
66/1 Paul Di Resta
80/1 Kamui Kobayashi
100/1 Michael Schumacher
250/1 Bruno Senna
500/1 Daniel Ricciardo
500/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 Heikki Kovalainen
2500/1 Vitaly Petrov
5000/1 Charles Pic
5000/1 Narain Karthikeyan
5000/1 Pedro de la Rosa
5000/1 Timo Glock
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
I have highlighted what I see as an anomaly ~ the differing odds for the two Mercedes drivers. In most of the last few races, at this stage before even any Practice runs, they were approximately around the same odds. Not now. No less than a 60 point difference this time... I wonder what the bookies know that I/we do not ...
I believe Button may have a five place 'gearbox' penalty. If that is true, I'd want rather more than a skinny 5-1 for a Button win....
oyster said:
10 place grid penalty for MSC from the collision with Verge in Singapore.
Ahah ~ yes, thanks Oyster.That'll teach him to go racing with his foot down and eyes closed ...
Whatever next .... some say he should have had a thirty place grid penalty...
I thought ten was sufficiently severe ... too severe spoiling things actually. Last time he had a grid penalty he stuck it on Pole.
The main thing for me is that Lewis plays a team game and doesn't dupe any potential for the team as a whole or for Jenson to make some progress this season - thus making next season that bit easier financially and with pit position etc.
I was surprised that Lewis decided to leave in the end, especially in light of Martin Whitmarsh's comments relating to the pay offer made...
The only thing I can think that might have tipped the balance for him was the Mercedes factory engine part of the deal (other than the personal financial package and having to do less corporate work probably) - How will Mclaren get along once the Merc engine is a customer unit???
Anyway - back to this race:
Qual:
1. Jenson (starting 6th following penalty)
2. Lewis
3. Alonso
4. Vettel (Ive included 4th as 1st could be irrelevant with penalties etc)
Result:
1. Lewis
2. Vettel
3. Button
4. Alonso
Would love to see Button storm through the pack and lead the Mclaren team to a constructors win this year, cant see anyone catching Alonso (except maybe Vettel.... or Lewis.....or Kimi......)
I was surprised that Lewis decided to leave in the end, especially in light of Martin Whitmarsh's comments relating to the pay offer made...
The only thing I can think that might have tipped the balance for him was the Mercedes factory engine part of the deal (other than the personal financial package and having to do less corporate work probably) - How will Mclaren get along once the Merc engine is a customer unit???
Anyway - back to this race:
Qual:
1. Jenson (starting 6th following penalty)
2. Lewis
3. Alonso
4. Vettel (Ive included 4th as 1st could be irrelevant with penalties etc)
Result:
1. Lewis
2. Vettel
3. Button
4. Alonso
Would love to see Button storm through the pack and lead the Mclaren team to a constructors win this year, cant see anyone catching Alonso (except maybe Vettel.... or Lewis.....or Kimi......)
IainT said:
Sofoklis said:
S0 What said:
Mojocvh said:
So it had nothing to do with the brush with the wall then
B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
I doubt it, if it did have something to do with the contact with the wall Button wouldn't be having the same problem would he ?B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
I think everybody is missing the point here. Yes Lewis had a minor brush with the wall but there was no impact sustained to any of the internal gearbox components. The gearbox failed for other reasons which had nothing to do with the contact with the wall.
Not that I'm slightly interested in 'Celeb gossip' but I just noticed Lewis & Nicole sound like they have split again:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/nicole-...
Did'nt Lewis go all sulky and stroppy last time? (or was that when he got really focused and started putting it on pole again?)
Either way - I'm sure it will have a knock on effect
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/nicole-...
Did'nt Lewis go all sulky and stroppy last time? (or was that when he got really focused and started putting it on pole again?)
Either way - I'm sure it will have a knock on effect
Steamer said:
Not that I'm slightly interested in 'Celeb gossip' but I just noticed Lewis & Nicole sound like they have split again:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/nicole-...
Did'nt Lewis go all sulky and stroppy last time? (or was that when he got really focused and started putting it on pole again?)
Either way - I'm sure it will have a knock on effect
Very glad LH took my advice I am sure it will help rather than hinderhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/nicole-...
Did'nt Lewis go all sulky and stroppy last time? (or was that when he got really focused and started putting it on pole again?)
Either way - I'm sure it will have a knock on effect
Now just needs to find himself a nice strict fraulein...
AS for shirtslinger moving to London - the UK's capital just took another downturn in class!
vonuber said:
I suspect Vettel will close the gap significantly to Alonso this race. I think Vettel will be WDC.
I too think he will be WDC. Which in my opinion is a shame; 3 consecutive titles is a very small club and would (statistically speaking) raise him above the likes of Senna, Prost, Stewart, Alonso in some people's eyes.Nick1point9 said:
I too think he will be WDC. Which in my opinion is a shame; 3 consecutive titles is a very small club and would (statistically speaking) raise him above the likes of Senna, Prost, Stewart, Alonso in some people's eyes.
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