Brands Hatch BTCC
Discussion
btcc123 said:
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
That MG looked very planted at Silverstone, by race 3 they really looked like they had a sorted car under Plato, great drive out of the corners too - if they have a significant boost advantage over the Hondas and if the car behaves as well at Brands (much more challenging circuit to get the setup right on, so it's by no means a given) then Gow's 'equivalence' formula may well have given the championship to a car that spent a good part of the season being developed....Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
Something's going to have to change, it's become a joke with special rules in the Blue Book, the constant tinkering with power and pay drivers like Neate decimating people's races thanks to being further up the grid than their talent would otherwise allow them.
Cyder said:
Go on then, show us a source for your 40 people claim and that the cars are 3/4's built before arriving at Longbridge.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
Ahem, still waiting for decadence to quantify his claims...What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
Cyder said:
Cyder said:
Go on then, show us a source for your 40 people claim and that the cars are 3/4's built before arriving at Longbridge.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
Ahem, still waiting for decadence to quantify his claims...What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/apr/12...
Mark Benson said:
btcc123 said:
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
That MG looked very planted at Silverstone, by race 3 they really looked like they had a sorted car under Plato, great drive out of the corners too - if they have a significant boost advantage over the Hondas and if the car behaves as well at Brands (much more challenging circuit to get the setup right on, so it's by no means a given) then Gow's 'equivalence' formula may well have given the championship to a car that spent a good part of the season being developed....Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
Something's going to have to change, it's become a joke with special rules in the Blue Book, the constant tinkering with power and pay drivers like Neate decimating people's races thanks to being further up the grid than their talent would otherwise allow them.
We are getting there...
Mark Benson said:
btcc123 said:
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
That MG looked very planted at Silverstone, by race 3 they really looked like they had a sorted car under Plato, great drive out of the corners too - if they have a significant boost advantage over the Hondas and if the car behaves as well at Brands (much more challenging circuit to get the setup right on, so it's by no means a given) then Gow's 'equivalence' formula may well have given the championship to a car that spent a good part of the season being developed....Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
Something's going to have to change, it's become a joke with special rules in the Blue Book, the constant tinkering with power and pay drivers like Neate decimating people's races thanks to being further up the grid than their talent would otherwise allow them.
decadence said:
Cyder said:
Cyder said:
Go on then, show us a source for your 40 people claim and that the cars are 3/4's built before arriving at Longbridge.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
Ahem, still waiting for decadence to quantify his claims...What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/apr/12...
Cyder said:
decadence said:
Cyder said:
Cyder said:
Go on then, show us a source for your 40 people claim and that the cars are 3/4's built before arriving at Longbridge.
What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
Ahem, still waiting for decadence to quantify his claims...What with the crap you've written here and the crap you've written on the other BTCC threads I'm not entirely sure why I'm giving you satisfaction.
It's like a child poking a wasp's nest I suppose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/apr/12...
Oh good grief ! it`s started on this thread and we haven`t even had the race yet. 
I hope the last round has some close, exciting races and I look forward to positive post race discussions about the championship, the drivers and how much we enjoyed the season. How the rules agreed way back before round 1 made it such an enjoyable series to watch and how we are looking forward to 2013.
Congratulating Sheddon on becoming Champion would be the icing on the cake. I don`t really mind who wins it, but I`d prefer having a different driver winning, rather than a previous champion.
I hope the last round has some close, exciting races and I look forward to positive post race discussions about the championship, the drivers and how much we enjoyed the season. How the rules agreed way back before round 1 made it such an enjoyable series to watch and how we are looking forward to 2013.
Congratulating Sheddon on becoming Champion would be the icing on the cake. I don`t really mind who wins it, but I`d prefer having a different driver winning, rather than a previous champion.
EDLT said:
Mark Benson said:
btcc123 said:
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
That MG looked very planted at Silverstone, by race 3 they really looked like they had a sorted car under Plato, great drive out of the corners too - if they have a significant boost advantage over the Hondas and if the car behaves as well at Brands (much more challenging circuit to get the setup right on, so it's by no means a given) then Gow's 'equivalence' formula may well have given the championship to a car that spent a good part of the season being developed....Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
Something's going to have to change, it's become a joke with special rules in the Blue Book, the constant tinkering with power and pay drivers like Neate decimating people's races thanks to being further up the grid than their talent would otherwise allow them.
Then, thanks to the special rules, when they (Neate being the obvious example) punt someone off, their actions are not penalised in a meaningful way and they continue to bounce off other drivers the following round.
Pay drivers are the future of the BTCC it seems, but they way the series is administered means they have far more influence on results than they ought to.
I'm hoping for a big day for Mat Jackson & Independant's title for Redstone/Motorbase.
No particular favourite for the main title, except I race against Andrew Jordan in the CSCC Tin Tops, so would enjoy if he had a big weekend also.
For the benefit of the 'show' which is BTCC, I guess they are hoping for a Plato v whoever final race showdown. Should be good viewing. And actually well done to Plato for developing the car into a potential winner, without the help of an adequate team mate.
Indeed, would be good for BTCC to cleanse itself over the winter of the poor/average drivers who are clogging up the grid at the moment IMHO.
No particular favourite for the main title, except I race against Andrew Jordan in the CSCC Tin Tops, so would enjoy if he had a big weekend also.
For the benefit of the 'show' which is BTCC, I guess they are hoping for a Plato v whoever final race showdown. Should be good viewing. And actually well done to Plato for developing the car into a potential winner, without the help of an adequate team mate.
Indeed, would be good for BTCC to cleanse itself over the winter of the poor/average drivers who are clogging up the grid at the moment IMHO.
LiamM45 said:
Rob Austin's car has a new livery for Brands Hatch, looks fantastic I think!
Best looking current BTCC car...right there. Simply stunning. If it weren't for commitments at another race track with my brothers race team i'd be there supporting the legend that is Rob Austin.Mark Benson said:
EDLT said:
Mark Benson said:
btcc123 said:
This has gone on all season and as other teams and especially MG have improved their handing we have come to a situation that Honda are only a bit quicker in the corners but still alot slower on the straights.
Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
That MG looked very planted at Silverstone, by race 3 they really looked like they had a sorted car under Plato, great drive out of the corners too - if they have a significant boost advantage over the Hondas and if the car behaves as well at Brands (much more challenging circuit to get the setup right on, so it's by no means a given) then Gow's 'equivalence' formula may well have given the championship to a car that spent a good part of the season being developed....Honda need to have their turbo boost increased at Brands Hatch to make it a level playing field.If not Plato will win the championship quite easily as he will be near the front and the Hondas midfield.
Something's going to have to change, it's become a joke with special rules in the Blue Book, the constant tinkering with power and pay drivers like Neate decimating people's races thanks to being further up the grid than their talent would otherwise allow them.
Then, thanks to the special rules, when they (Neate being the obvious example) punt someone off, their actions are not penalised in a meaningful way and they continue to bounce off other drivers the following round.
Pay drivers are the future of the BTCC it seems, but they way the series is administered means they have far more influence on results than they ought to.
For all those people who may be interested, below are the boost adjustments for Brands Hatch BTCC Finals
Audi A4 NGTC 0.100
Honda Civic NGTC 0.050
MG 6 NGTC TOCA 0.000
Proton NGTC TOCA 0.075
Toyota Avensis NGTC 0.075
Toyota Avensis NGTC TOCA 0.100
Vauxhall Insignia NGTC TOCA 0.125
BMW S2000 T 0.075
Ford Focus NGTC 0.050
Ford Focus S2000 T 0.100
Honda Civic S2000 T 0.100
Vauxhall Vectra S2000 T TOCA 0.100
VW Golf S2000 T 0.125
Audi A4 NGTC 0.100
Honda Civic NGTC 0.050
MG 6 NGTC TOCA 0.000
Proton NGTC TOCA 0.075
Toyota Avensis NGTC 0.075
Toyota Avensis NGTC TOCA 0.100
Vauxhall Insignia NGTC TOCA 0.125
BMW S2000 T 0.075
Ford Focus NGTC 0.050
Ford Focus S2000 T 0.100
Honda Civic S2000 T 0.100
Vauxhall Vectra S2000 T TOCA 0.100
VW Golf S2000 T 0.125
Some interesting adjustments. How much is a 0.050 increase in real terms though, PSI/BAR etc?? How much difference does it really make?
Just checked the weather for Sunday says it will be light showers, hopefully it stays dry because I don't like the cold and there is no denying those Honda's are good in the wet..
All the best JP, I'll be there rain or shine cheering you on (Just like Donnington (cold), Rockingham (extremely cold) and Silverstone (warm))
Just checked the weather for Sunday says it will be light showers, hopefully it stays dry because I don't like the cold and there is no denying those Honda's are good in the wet..
All the best JP, I'll be there rain or shine cheering you on (Just like Donnington (cold), Rockingham (extremely cold) and Silverstone (warm))
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