RE: Deltawing sent flying

RE: Deltawing sent flying

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Rgm racer

130 posts

167 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Salom said:
That Porsche driver needs a good kicking!
+10000000!!smash

PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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To be fair, that's the natural line over there, and the deltawing had plenty of room left on the right....

robmlufc

5,229 posts

187 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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PhillipM said:
To be fair, that's the natural line over there, and the deltawing had plenty of room left on the right....
He does seem to squeeze the Porsche for no good reason.

Good 'playing the victim' ammo for Mr Cox and his Nissan marketing machine.

bsdnazz

762 posts

254 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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morgrp said:
Personally believe its a terrible concept as a racing car serving very little benefit over and above more conventional designs
Not even the ability to go just as fast with half the fuel usage?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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See...told you ...:smug:

405dogvan

5,328 posts

266 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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It's amazing how any form of partisanship causes people not to see things like

- a driver not giving another driver much room for no reason
- a driver losing the back of his car which causes him to step sideways
- the fact that this st happens in racing because it's high speed and dangerous (which is why we like it)

...

robmlufc

5,229 posts

187 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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bsdnazz said:
Not even the ability to go just as fast with half the fuel usage?
If they can do that while building it to the same rules as everyone else it would be interesting, not so at the moment.

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

215 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Rgm racer said:
+10000000!!smash
It's a racing accident for Christ sake.

Lets have them competing in the ridiculously safe Sarcastaball instead. That way wearing bras, tin foil hats and giving hugs and compliments should ensure nobody is hurt.

bsdnazz

762 posts

254 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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robmlufc said:
If they can do that while building it to the same rules as everyone else it would be interesting, not so at the moment.
Why do we have to keep the same rules? The opportunity is there for anyone to do some lateral thinking and come up with something new and interesting.

The current rules 'force' designers to build high down force cars with high drag and thus high power requirements. The current rules are a limitation IMHO to new design.

zac510

5,546 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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bsdnazz said:
Why do we have to keep the same rules?
It's not important, it's just an argument tactic used by the anti-Deltawing people to attempt to undermine the validity of the DW.

PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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There is no validity, build a normal car to the same specs as the deltawing and it would be driving around at the back of the grid.


Matt Harper

6,621 posts

202 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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They got it running again.

zebedee

4,589 posts

279 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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TimJMS said:
At 48 seconds, the Porsche driver makes an effort to get out of the way of the Deltawing as it comes into his peripheral vision by steering left. There is no out of condition to correct. This is in no way opposite lock. The impact is a long way past the preceding corner, and a few seconds after the Porsche has already been corrected.
He has left lock on but the rear of the car is swinging left too, so it seems to me that all 4 wheels are probably sliding hence him winding left lock on. Le Saffre hasn't admitted to getting out of shape though, he says that he was moving to take the right line and that the Deltawing had no place being there. Not sure I agree that everything he did was intentional, but without access to telemetry and in particular steering input we'll never be sure, he might just be defending his driving despite making a bit of a mistake. But that said perhaps it was a silly place for the Deltawing to try to pass if the racing line is as stated.

robmlufc

5,229 posts

187 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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zac510 said:
It's not important, it's just an argument tactic used by the anti-Deltawing people to attempt to undermine the validity of the DW.
The DW can't score points and can't win anything. Its literally pointless, doesn't introduce any new useful technology, seems to get in the way of teams trying to compete and purely a marketing toy.

zebedee

4,589 posts

279 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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robmlufc said:
The DW can't score points and can't win anything. Its literally pointless, doesn't introduce any new useful technology, seems to get in the way of teams trying to compete and purely a marketing toy.
It isn't about tech, it is about concept - less fuel, less power, less tyres, less cost. All in theory anyway, I did hear that the front tyres were just a little bit more expensive than a typical race tyre (ahem).

MonteV

363 posts

261 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Glad that GJ wasn't seriously hurt. I love the Deltawing and the shape. Something conceptually new in motor sport is good. Wouldn't mind a street version :-D.

robmlufc

5,229 posts

187 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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zebedee said:
It isn't about tech, it is about concept - less fuel, less power, less tyres, less cost. All in theory anyway, I did hear that the front tyres were just a little bit more expensive than a typical race tyre (ahem).
But none of those ideas are a new concept, Colin Chapman could tell you that.

dalos260

199 posts

182 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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MonteV said:
Glad that GJ wasn't seriously hurt. I love the Deltawing and the shape. Something conceptually new in motor sport is good. Wouldn't mind a street version :-D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbodT0qVKL0&sns...

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Agrispeed

988 posts

160 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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I think that the reason the drivers head is so close to the deck is that the deltawing nose shape means that the car cannot rest on the front 'corners' like a standard box shape would. - still pretty bloody scary for the driver!

James1972

98 posts

146 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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At 1.20 or thereabouts is it me or is there a little flash of brake lights on the porker at pretty much the same time as the left lock ?
Looks like a brake & swerve manoeuvre as not seen car on inside - if out of control and no choice about line then no braking methinks.
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