RE: Deltawing sent flying

RE: Deltawing sent flying

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Mules

72 posts

147 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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The Deltawing was awesome at Le Mans this year, great to see it's still in action. Glad the driver is intact, there didn't look to be much head / ground clearance.

JT

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Mules said:
The Deltawing was awesome at Le Mans this year, great to see it's still in action. Glad the driver is intact, there didn't look to be much head / ground clearance.

JT
Doesn't look much worse than most single seaters to me.

e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5k57mSzKA

WillBrumBrum

607 posts

198 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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This is not complicated....


PAINT THE DELTAWING LUMINOUS ORANGE!


Not invisible black.

Because then no one will get killed racing.

marcosgt

11,021 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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I must admit it was slightly worrying the way the car seemed to heel over onto its side so easily. I guess it's possible a traditional 4 at each corner car might have flipped right over though in such an impact.

I'm a bit surprised no-one's asked if the green car wouldn't have lost control less easily coming out of a bend if they didn't insist on sticking the engine block behind the rear wheels, though wink

M.

Hoygo

725 posts

161 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Poor Deltawing,always being shunted,in Le mans Nakajima now the Porker,put a V8 and lasers on it.

zs

3,140 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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no head restraint system?!! Hans? side padding?

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

214 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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marcosgt said:
I'm a bit surprised no-one's asked if the green car wouldn't have lost control less easily coming out of a bend if they didn't insist on sticking the engine block behind the rear wheels, though wink

M.
Not sure if the position of the engine would have made it any worse.. I imagine what possibly happened was that there was some partial RH lock when the nearside rear wheel span faster/had less grip than the offside rear, causing the sideways motion.

The same can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0wk45F28E

Maybe I'm completely wrong though, I accept I could well be.

hornet

6,333 posts

250 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Not convinced the Deltawing configuration makes it any less stable, as that crash is very similar to Scott Sharp's a few years ago :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyHIqk6XFk

Fast car hits slower car under load is always going to be scary.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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It was Hitler's fault for making Herr Porsche stick the engine in the boot .... rofl

mrhaitchbee

13 posts

149 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Like Mr Beans mini vs the Robin!!!

Clearly a slight concern doe the delta wing developers, it's all well and good reducing drag and friction but at the cost of safety? I guess that's the issue here, yes it's fast and fun but is it worth the risk? My personal opinion is that whilst motorsport is dangerous, people sign up for it knowing the risks and if they chose to drive such a car then should put up with consequences so yes it's worth the reduction in stability/safety for the increase in performance; particularly given that the old line 'ain't no replacement for displacement' seems to be out the window these days.

P4ROT

1,219 posts

193 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Looks like the car was longer than he expected (because he's not used to racing vehicles with 3 wheels lol)...amazing that the driver is ok though- looked horrible

RB Will

9,666 posts

240 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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P4ROT said:
Looks like the car was longer than he expected (because he's not used to racing vehicles with 3 wheels lol)...amazing that the driver is ok though- looked horrible
pretty sure it has 4 wheels

ZesPak

24,431 posts

196 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Mr E said:
The deltawing looked impressively rapid before it was clobbered though.
What I thought! Looks very rapid.

Looked from far it looks like a deliberate turn, but, as stated, on closer inspection the porsche just lost control.

As for the guy stating the 'wing was 80% at fault nuts

nobrakelights

29 posts

189 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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"And for my next trick"...

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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masermartin said:
I disagree, I think the Porsche was making a move to come into the pits. Just didn't see the DW.

There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though? frown
You can see if you watch from about 0:45 - 0:48.. look at the front wheels of the Porsche.. it looks like the back end has broken away slightly and he's trying to correct right before he hits the Nissan. I agree with the others in that it was just an accident!

The Wookie

13,950 posts

228 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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I agree, looks like the Porker lost it rather than a deliberate move across the track. He was a bit slow to correct it and shouldn't have kept his foot in, but spinning into the corner on the exit is a spectacularly common way of losing it in a Porsche race car because of where the engine is and the lack of steering lock.

zac510

5,546 posts

206 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Skater12 said:
It strikes me that the positioning of the wheels had something to do with how easily flipped the car was.
The Tripod layout, in the event of a side impact at speed doesn't seem to be as stable as a standard configuration.
Similarly its shape might be an advantage in other types of crashes so who can say really?

hunt_the_fox

1,044 posts

225 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Chicane-UK said:
masermartin said:
I disagree, I think the Porsche was making a move to come into the pits. Just didn't see the DW.

There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though? frown
You can see if you watch from about 0:45 - 0:48.. look at the front wheels of the Porsche.. it looks like the back end has broken away slightly and he's trying to correct right before he hits the Nissan. I agree with the others in that it was just an accident!
I don't think that was correcting an out of control car, I've looked at that footage and it looks to me like a deliberate move to the right before impact.

zebedee

4,589 posts

278 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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hunt_the_fox said:
I don't think that was correcting an out of control car, I've looked at that footage and it looks to me like a deliberate move to the right before impact.
Nope, we've all watched the footage too! I watch an awful lot of GT racing every year and that Porsche took a bounce on the kerb that threw it out of shape. 48-49s he has opposite lock on, he isn't wanting to move right at all.

gaz1234

5,233 posts

219 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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never quite understood these stupid multi-car events, always asking for trouble. demonstrated on forza!