RE: Tuscans at Thruxton

RE: Tuscans at Thruxton

Tuesday 31st August 2004

Tuscans at Thruxton

A dozen cars and dozens of rumours


Race One

Saturday's Tuscan race saw a grid full of drivers undecided about tyre choice. Intermittent rain had left the track wet with the possibility of a dry line emerging.

Those on wet tyres soon eeked out an advantage however with Phil Keen and David Mason heading off into the lead leaving Lee Caroline uncharacteristically lagging on his slicks.

Caroline fell into the clutches of Peter Wheeler at one point - two drivers who rarely do battle normally.

Giles Cooper was back and on good form in car number 58. He eventually passed Caroline too but more significantly Richard Hay couldn't. The two title contenders maintained their position in the championship and despite Caroline setting the fastest lap as the track dried out, it was Phil Keen who took the win followed by David Mason and Tim Hood.

Race Two

Sunday's race got off to a dramatic start with Peter Wheeler launching himself into the back of Tim Hood's car. Hood suffered a huge about of damage to the rear bodywork but none to the mechanicals. He continued the race (complete with marshals waving all manner of flags at him) with the nearside rear wing of his car no longer present.

It was David Mason who led the race pursued by Phil Keen and Lee Caroline. Mason and Caroline had another good battle with Caroline nipping past after a couple of laps.

Richard Hay was working hard for some points too though and worked his way up to do battle with Giles Cooper then Tim Hood and eventually past Phil Keen too.

It finished with Caroline taking the win, followed by Mason and Hay.

Pictures from David Lord

   

Rumour Mill

Saturday's meeting was full of rumours about the direction TVR will be taking on and off track. As always things got a little ahead of themselves and it wasn't until Sunday afternoon that the facts emerged.

At a meeting of the teams, TVR's championship coordinator John Reid broke the news that TVR would not be running the Tuscan Challenge in 2005. Plans for a Sagaris to join the series have been scrapped and the future of the racing lies in the hands of the teams.

TVR will continue to lease engines to the racers if required but the organisation of any series now falls to the teams. The desire amongst the teams to race next year is as strong as ever so hopefully a plan can be hatched to make that happen.

PH will certainly back all efforts to keep Tuscans on track. The series has been hugely entertaining over the years and provides important focal points for TVR owners each summer.

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Don

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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Interesting. With just a dozen cars on the track Mrs Don and I were predicting that the Tuscans had probably reached their logical conclusion.

I've heard that some cars are now racing with the original Rover V8 in them in other series?

Lets hope that a club series can emerge with these fantastic cars.

So. I wonder if TVR will announce a new race series complete with a new car. If they're going to run it in 2005 they'll need to announce it pretty damn soon. Maybe 2006? Or maybe not at all...

RB Will

9,666 posts

241 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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nooooo! we can not let this series die out! I want to race in it some time, just need to find the money

DustyC

12,820 posts

255 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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Would be good if it was opened up to other TVR models and the race run with various classes. That would make one of the most exciting race series even more exciting!

PetrolTed

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304 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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TVR won't be running a series in 2005. It sounds like they might be doing something in GTs but below that absolutely nothing.

It is a chance for the racers to take the bull by the horns and sort out their own series in a manner to their liking. It will take a fair bit of organisation though and rely on some hard work by someone.

Don

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PetrolTed said:
TVR won't be running a series in 2005. It sounds like they might be doing something in GTs but below that absolutely nothing.


I think TVR will *need* to come up with something. Its important for the image of the business. TVR owners *like* to be associated with racing series and motorsport.

I wonder what proportion of owners are tipped over into buying a car by the motorsport, though. And if TVR just saved themselves the money of running a race series would it affect sales volumes and profit margin at all? Hmmn.

It'd be a shame if as the "Wheeler Era" goes so does TVR Motorsport...

PetrolTed

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Existing TVR owners like the motorsport, but perhaps NS wants to alter the profile of the typical TVR owner?

daydreamer

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258 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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Don't want to be a merchant of doom, but I can't see it happening. The Tuscans have a bunch of attractions, but it seems that these attractions do come with a financial cost. Halving the cost of the series would possibly lose what everyone loves about Tuscan racing. As has been said, the Engine lease isn't too bad, the cars are cheap it is just the quantity of spares and tyres that ramps up the budget.

Not being on the GT/F3 bill, and not being supported by the factory will make raising the funds even harder and - whilst 'club' racing is a major untapped resource for spectators - I can't see a 750 club Tuscan race attracting double figure numbers of cars, without destroying the spectacular that is Tuscan racing.

I think that racing fan NS has done his customers and his racers a big disservice by not really getting behind a high end TVR national racing programme, but if we are honest, the writing was on the wall even with the ex Chairman at the helm, so a substantial push would be required to really show any bottom line benefits to TVR.

Whlst there is still hope for a U turn and a last minute deal to keep a premier TVR series alive, in the event that this doesn't happen, I really hope that we don't lose any racers because of this.

Unfortunately, I know people like Andy had their heart set on racing a Tuscan. If this is no longer possible, is there going to be the another series that can attract the teams and drivers - and therefore be something else for this community, and many other fans, to get behind.

PetrolTed

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Tuscans used to run on BRSCC bills before the GT series and did well enough then. I can see the same happening again if there's a will.

The point is now that there is an opportunity for change. Things were in decline becuase nothing was changing.

It will take a bold move by someone to make it happen, but it could happen.

The financials being kicked around yesterday were achievable via various means, again - if there's a strong driving force behind it.

jamesc

2,820 posts

285 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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I thought this announcement by JR would come. The first he heard of the takeover was through me! It is very sad.

James

d_drinks

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270 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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How about the EERC? we (TopCats Racing) have been competing an AJP 4.5 powered Tuscan two seater in the series this year with excellent results. The series weekend incs Radicals, Jade etc in Britsports. Could be worth contacing James Tucker the series organiser. His details are on the EERC website: www.eerc.co.uk

Shame to poss not see these cars out anymore

jamesc

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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Britcar would be good place for the Tuscans. They could also race in the TVRCC series.

James

Don

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PetrolTed said:

The point is now that there is an opportunity for change. Things were in decline becuase nothing was changing.


I think you are right. After all - the Tuscans have been around a *long* time now and don't actually reflect the current TVR models.

If you look at the Porsche Carrera Cup the cars are updated regularly to keep them in line with the current 911 model release. Almost certainly we will see 997 based Cup cars in due course. This promotes the newer models amongst owners...I suspect its also good for the bottom line.

So. If TVR are planning on retiring the current Tuscans they may well consider a new series with an all new car reflecting their current, rather than historic, model range.

For example: the T350C would make a fine race car...wouldn't it? Or perhaps even a version of the road-going Tuscan (the convertible with the addition of a roll cage)? But most definitely with the Speed Six engine...and, no doubt, the modern Tuscan chassis that underpins so much of the current model range..

Krusty

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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NS was at Thruxton on Sunday, Did you get to meet him Ted??

DustyC

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Krusty said:
NS was at Thruxton on Sunday, Did you get to meet him Ted??


Really?
Could it have been his silver T350 that was parked down the car park away from us all then?
Shame he didn't come and join us.

NS, if you read this, next time come over to say hello. You'll be warmly welcomed. We're a friendly bunch.

Krusty

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I was talking to Craig at 'Camp TVR' (No Gay pun intended about Craig's pink car) and this Gadgie came over with his family. Asked if he could get a picture of his son in one of the cars, which of course we duly obliged, and then asked me what my opinion was of this Russian Bloke taking over TVR. I said that nothing much had really happend yet but I was erring to the positive and hoped for the best. He then let out he was NS's, I guess PA. Bit sneaking really, baiting the question before telling who he was. Anyway, I launched straight into 'Can we meet him' mode but he thought that NS had probably already left. Shame really as there was a great turnout from several regions. So I didn't get to meet NS but I did meet Ted so wasn't an altogether bad day....

manek

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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I wonder if NS was in the DB9 I saw someone roll up to the front gate in, around 0950 yesterday. He looked very young to own a motor like that (or maybe it's just envy).

DustyC

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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Or perhaps the SLR that was in the paddock?

I also saw a nice Range Rover with "PH41" plates.
I guess it was the chauffer driven PH limo!

jamesc

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Tuesday 31st August 2004
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How about TVR writting off the AJP8 engines and giving each car competing in this year's series 2 or 3 engines each?

PetrolTed

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Krusty said:
NS was at Thruxton on Sunday, Did you get to meet him Ted??


Nope, he was pointed out to me. He shares my taste in German cars though

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 31st August 2004
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PetrolTed said:
It sounds like they might be doing something in GTs but below that absolutely nothing.
TVR is growing up. Time to play with the big boys. European GT series would be the way to do this.