This is what F1 lacks......
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i watched an interview with rene arnoux recently and he admitted he was genuinely scared during the finale of that race. although arnoux and villeneuve were very close friends, arnoux admitted that he knew villeneuve was going to go hell for leather to get second place. arnoux said he was going for the renault 1-2 as JP had already ran off into the lead earlier in the race hence the battle.
F1 lacks drivers with character. People try to tell me taht Montoya is a character but in all honesty he isnt fit to lace villeneuves racing boots. Formula One needs a driver who is prepared to "do an Irvine" and overtake the leader once lapped. F1 needs someone who will drive a car with three wheels back to the pits expecting it to be mended. I havent watched F1 properly since the Canadian GP last year. the top four cars finished within a second of each other and everyone said how exciting it was. What no one mentioned was it had been that way for the previous ten laps because the drivers were too frightened/incapable of overtaking one another. Blame the cars aerodynamics or the drivers not wanting to risk losing the points but i was so annoyed at their lack of determination.
Ttry and hunt down some of the early 80s WSC races, especially the 500km sprints and watch people like Stefan Bellof and Jacky Ickx race. thats the perfect antidote to formula one these days!
F1 lacks drivers with character. People try to tell me taht Montoya is a character but in all honesty he isnt fit to lace villeneuves racing boots. Formula One needs a driver who is prepared to "do an Irvine" and overtake the leader once lapped. F1 needs someone who will drive a car with three wheels back to the pits expecting it to be mended. I havent watched F1 properly since the Canadian GP last year. the top four cars finished within a second of each other and everyone said how exciting it was. What no one mentioned was it had been that way for the previous ten laps because the drivers were too frightened/incapable of overtaking one another. Blame the cars aerodynamics or the drivers not wanting to risk losing the points but i was so annoyed at their lack of determination.
Ttry and hunt down some of the early 80s WSC races, especially the 500km sprints and watch people like Stefan Bellof and Jacky Ickx race. thats the perfect antidote to formula one these days!
Thanks for posting the link Woody 
Aside from the calibre of the 2 drivers, the race had numerous aspects lacking in modern F1, OTOH: ground-effect design, stick shift, clutch and slicks. One can only imagine what the in-car footage would've looked like in that duel!
Another comment I would make is that in '79 (states the obvious) the inherent dangers of driving in that fashion would have been infinitely more dangerous than now, which begs the question - why don't we get more scrapping like that these days? They can afford to drive like that in the 200*...
Aside from the calibre of the 2 drivers, the race had numerous aspects lacking in modern F1, OTOH: ground-effect design, stick shift, clutch and slicks. One can only imagine what the in-car footage would've looked like in that duel!
Another comment I would make is that in '79 (states the obvious) the inherent dangers of driving in that fashion would have been infinitely more dangerous than now, which begs the question - why don't we get more scrapping like that these days? They can afford to drive like that in the 200*...
flat16 said:
Another comment I would make is that in '79 (states the obvious) the inherent dangers of driving in that fashion would have been infinitely more dangerous than now, which begs the question - why don't we get more scrapping like that these days? They can afford to drive like that in the 200*...
On the contrary. In those days all the drivers knew that if you punted someone you'd probably kill them, so they had enormous respect and trust for each other. Or, at least, they worked on the principal that you could probably trust the other person not to do something bloody stupid because they all knew the risks.
These days, with cars being so strong, nobody is going to take a risk precisely because a crash is so survivable. Cut up the inside of Schui? No thanks, mister, he'll have my front wheel off without a thought.
I agree it is paradoxical, but it makes a strange kind of sense.
>> Edited by JonRB on Friday 24th December 18:03
Good vids good vids. I'm not sure what can really compare to that duel but I enjoyed J. Villenueve's first race in Australia when he and Damon went at it. I enjoyed that one pass a few years ago with Mika and Michael when a back marker separated the two and Mika prevailed into the next corner.
That may be true but it may not. We might just see an even worse show with even fewer changes in position. I wonder if perhaps overtaking just *isn't* possible right now. If it is possible and just risky then the passes will rarely be successful ending in a shunt. But on the other hand the increased weight and various fuel consumptions of different engines may lead to more passing as the cars weights change. Rather than mandating the properties of chassis materials (rigidity) they should go back to slicks and mandate harder compounds via chemicals in the rubber. All they do now is ban all the fun engineering at the same time the passing doesn't improve. We will see. . .
Eric Mc said:
Yes - getting rid of fuel stops would force drivers into considering the possibility of attempting to overtake on track. At the moment, the risks outweigh the benefits.
That may be true but it may not. We might just see an even worse show with even fewer changes in position. I wonder if perhaps overtaking just *isn't* possible right now. If it is possible and just risky then the passes will rarely be successful ending in a shunt. But on the other hand the increased weight and various fuel consumptions of different engines may lead to more passing as the cars weights change. Rather than mandating the properties of chassis materials (rigidity) they should go back to slicks and mandate harder compounds via chemicals in the rubber. All they do now is ban all the fun engineering at the same time the passing doesn't improve. We will see. . .
Well shows how little I know. I didn't consider they would still be changing tires. I think though part of the problem now is the grooved tires and not enough mechanical grip and then again even if they controlled tire compound that would ultimately equate to less grip like a grooved tire. Heavy reliance on aero is the problem but teams have already dedicated huge huge investments in aero facilities. I was reading at the Sauber website that they just purchased some 18 ton super computer with 500 or so 64bit AMD processors. So banning wings or having a standard wing might upset teams but then again there are plenty of aero parts left on the car to fool around with in tunnels and computers.
F1 today even when a car is substantially faster than another, say 1 sec. or so a lap, it just can't pass the slower cars. If for some reason it does get by it just tears off ahead with no chance of being repassed. But anyway great videos!
F1 today even when a car is substantially faster than another, say 1 sec. or so a lap, it just can't pass the slower cars. If for some reason it does get by it just tears off ahead with no chance of being repassed. But anyway great videos!
What does F1 Lack??, it lacks Moto GP-WSB-BSB.ie credibility.Compared to the Mega Millions of F1 team budgets, the two wheeled world is light years in front of the obese, brainwashed, self opinionated F1 Con World.
From one lifetime RACING enthusiast,to others-get yourself a DVD or two of the 04 championships as stated, and get amazed of how Racing can be "AS YOU Like it".F1 is a drop in the Ocean, compared to the other Classes of Real M/sport, on 4 and 2 wheels.
From one lifetime RACING enthusiast,to others-get yourself a DVD or two of the 04 championships as stated, and get amazed of how Racing can be "AS YOU Like it".F1 is a drop in the Ocean, compared to the other Classes of Real M/sport, on 4 and 2 wheels.
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