Is this heading worthwhile

[HarryW]

Slightly OT how does this 'new management team' indifference to motorsport affect the GT and LeMans aspirations .
I've always been the 'little acorns' type and believe the Tuscans to be the acorns .

Harry

[Graham]

jamesc said:

I would also state that Mr Holden needs to change his attitude towards some people that have been longer around than him.

Not so sure about that... i'd Say Andy is a full on TVR supporter who has shown commitment to TVR racing in terms of spending hard cash on preparing for the 2005 season.

The problem is racing drivers need money, money needs sponsorship, sponsorship needs returns.

to get the sponsorship you need to offer somthing back. the silence ( up to now) from the factory dosent help you raise the money to pay the bills.

Everyone i have spoken to agrees that tuscan racing is still the most exciting racing in the uk to compete in. 911 gt's just arn't the same.

the formual is right if the backing behind it can be sought and th right ssort of exposure then it will work.

If nothing decent can be offered quickly the drivers willl go where they can find money.

Drivers need solid decent dates with a firm commitment to go to sponsors so thats what we need. NS or BS need to make a strong statement and back it up with some cash to go forward. FFS TVR dont make hatchback shopping cars they make fast sports cars and to sell sports ca5rs you need to go racing. dont throw the baby out with the old chairman. GO RACING AND TUSCANS WORK!!!!


(Sorry i've just come back from a pi$$ up for a successfull championship)

Cheers

G

[jamesc]

I think John is doing a first class job with the TVR Challenge!

Hi Graham,

I notice you are from Kidderminster, do you know Clive and Nathan Freke. You will be pleased to know that Nathan won the kart race at the Autosport.


www.nathan-freke.co.uk/driversNews.asp?driver=1&story=57&passYear=all&skip=0

[v8tvr]

Graham said:

[quote=jamesc] I would also state that Mr Holden needs to change his attitude towards some people that have been longer around than him.

To be honest,all relationdhips set aside, i think "Mr Holden" is absolutely spot on with his attitude, after all Andy has funded most of the racing himself and has a right to his opinion, which i think most people agree with whole heartedly .

I would say that if it was not for the likes of Rod and Andy, (who speak there mind, and who are also only speaking for the good of the series)We would not be having this post as the TVR racing would have lost.

So maybe its you who should change your attitude towards people who are actually working hard and trying to preserve the challenge for all involved.

This whole post is about TVR and not you James, so err.... Stones and glass houses?

[Racing Rod]

jamesc said:

I am working on a project that will see 2 young drivers do some TVR Challenge races as well as their International programme. Can't say anymore than that! I would also state that Mr Holden needs to change his attitude towards some people that have been longer around than him. John Reid is doing a great job! A new car at a good price! An agreed series! A good tyre deal! Cheaper engine leases and people are still complaining! I remember the first time we went to Croft and there was just a Double Decker Bus! Ben sorted out a parade into Darlington. Tuscans used to headline events and not support them! Pauline, "Hold on to your flags!" >> Edited by jamesc on Saturday 15th January 23:24

James, Dear chap, allow me to interject. With all due respect, nobody is saying that JR isn't doing a wonderful job, I think I've made that plain.If you had read the recent e-mail asking for deposits on engine rentals, I think you would have to agree that even the blind amoungst us could read between the lines of the statement, "No deposits, NO series.

Let me spell it out for you and hasten your return from the planet ZOG, the lack of oxegen is begining to effect your brain.

TVR aren't interested, not if it means putting any real support or money into the series, yes, they will pay lip service to the principal, and throw in the odd words of comfort via JR, for they can see that in time it may be useful to have the race series. However, right now they have bigger fish to fry, survival for one and re-establishing a home market and dealer network to sell the road cars with credibility for another, there is either no money or no incentive to get behind supporting a project that only has merit if TVR live to fight another day. Make of it what you will, but belive me , this is business pure and simple.

Our John has worked long and hard to keep TVR racing alive and so far the management have gone along with it as it hasn't cost anything, the miniute it threatens to cost TVR a penny it will be dropped like a hot potato.

As for your comments re Andy Holden, he's a driver James, and that puts him at the top of the pile when it comes to placing one's opinions on a given forum, he also runs his own car, spanners it, with a little help from time to time, and of course funds the whole bloody issue. Now remind me James, what is it that you actually do??? Granted,you have attached yourself to Tuscans for many years, I've never seen you drive or run a proper team on a sustainable basis for that matter.I've seen you arranged the odd drive and been of good service to a number of people from time to time, but you have also been involved in a few negitive things, so by my count, you and the tuscans are about evens. In short Andy has earnt the right to say what the f**k he likes , as have I, but you haven't, OK.

Finally,well nearly, John Reid needs drivers or teams that will commit to the new series not people who want to arrange the odd drive for otherwise "internationally" bound hot shots, (pull the other one James) and quoting old joy rides from yesteryear that you didn't actully drive in just annoys those who did.

My last point, promise, The "new TVR race car" is a production car, pulled off the line and has had the minimal of work done on it, hell it still has carpets in it. This has been done so that it can be changed back to a road car if things go Pete Tong and just proves the level of support and commitment that TVR are prepared to offer. Who on this earth is going to buy a race car that will require the replacement of the whole body , and or chassis, in the event of a minor race accident for unlike the mighty Tuscan, it doesn't have the benifit of the same sort of mega strong chassis, nor does It come with three main componant parts, ie back, middle, and front end, COSTS !!!!

So James, people are complaining because TVR are not being upfront about what they intend to do, most would rather be told now that it's a non-starter so they can get on and arrange alternatives, hence a simple statement yes or no, now if you don't understand that then do us all a favour and F**k off back to ZOG.



>> Edited by Racing Rod on Sunday 16th January 14:15

>> Edited by Racing Rod on Sunday 16th January 15:30

[jamesc]

v8tvr said:

Graham said: [quote=jamesc] I would also state that Mr Holden needs to change his attitude towards some people that have been longer around than him. To be honest,all relationdhips set aside, i think "Mr Holden" is absolutely spot on with his attitude, after all Andy has funded most of the racing himself and has a right to his opinion, which i think most people agree with whole heartedly . I would say that if it was not for the likes of Rod and Andy, (who speak there mind, and who are also only speaking for the good of the series)We would not be having this post as the TVR racing would have lost. So maybe its you who should change your attitude towards people who are actually working hard and trying to preserve the challenge for all involved. This whole post is about TVR and not you James, so err.... Stones and glass houses?

The difference betwen myself and you v8tvr! Is that I back drivers that can actually drive! Nathan proved that when he won the Charity Kart race at the Autosport Show.

more details can be found here:

www.nathan-freke.com




>> Edited by jamesc on Sunday 16th January 15:00

[v8tvr]

jamesc said:

v8tvr said: [quote=Graham] [quote=jamesc] I would also state that Mr Holden needs to change his attitude towards some people that have been longer around than him. To be honest,all relationdhips set aside, i think "Mr Holden" is absolutely spot on with his attitude, after all Andy has funded most of the racing himself and has a right to his opinion, which i think most people agree with whole heartedly . I would say that if it was not for the likes of Rod and Andy, (who speak there mind, and who are also only speaking for the good of the series)We would not be having this post as the TVR racing would have lost. So maybe its you who should change your attitude towards people who are actually working hard and trying to preserve the challenge for all involved. This whole post is about TVR and not you James, so err.... Stones and glass houses?

The difference betwen myself and you v8tvr! Is that I back drivers that can actually drive! Nathan proved that when he won the Charity Kart race at the Autosport Show.

more details can be found here:

James old boy, this is about TVR and not about you,me Andy or Rod.

The only other thing i have to highlight is i dont give a flying f<>k whether the car i sponsor comes first last or never starts a Fu%^(^g race, i just do what i can to support.
I think you have every right to give an opinion, a lot of them very useful i'm sure.
But i just do not get why you have to be personal, what is there to gain?

Be constructive old boy, personal insult can end in disaster if you not wearing a seatbelt

[yellow peril]

jamesc said:

Pauline, "Hold on to your flags!"

Thank you Jamesc...I will most certainly be doing that and will have some more the moment I hear that there will be a new series.
We will be there to support 'en mass'.

However, even though I only know Andy through racing I do feel that your comments about him are out of order James....
This forum is known to be a very friendly one, with lots of friendly insulting banter but getting personal and meaning it isn't really on..

...//P//

[Chuggaboom]

Pray tell us JamesC r u being paid to promote Nathan or do u do it just for fun ?

Either way, IMHO your repetive attempts @ promoting this and that on this site, all @ Ted's expense of course, are rather tiresome....no extremely tiresome.

In fact, in general, I fail to see where any of your comments have been of any benefit to anyone except your for yourself.

And yes this is rather personal and we haven't even met !!! Like Rod said some time ago IIRC "I don't really think we'd get on", so please don't feel the need to reply....indeed as u din't to Rod's posting above.

So JamesC...why don't u do use all a favour and f**k of elsewhere.

Oh and for the record....I don't recall anyone in and around the paddock having anything good to say about Nathan's abilities on or of the track...quite the opposite in fact....more like a jumped up little t**t that did sod all to help get his car on the grid in time ! But that's only hearsay of course.

[PetrolTed]

Please let's not let this sink to the level of personal insults...

[ratpit]

NOw, now boys. Enough already. I do not feel personal insults are really neccesary or in the least bit helpful, nor in the spirit of this forum. We all have our own opinions but surely we can be civil???

For the record, Nathan Freke worked his butt off on his car aided by his father and many others in the paddock. He really did try and he ocassionally achieved a decent performance despite a basically poor set up and having to work on a budget of about half of bugger all. I also seem to recall he drove most races covered in grease and crud after working on his car until call up. He also had some damned bad luck. At least he tried. Whether he was a popular lad or not doesn't matter. It's a racing series not a popularity poll.



>> Edited by ratpit on Sunday 16th January 22:31

[Graham]

ratpit said:

For the record, Nathan Freke worked his butt off on his car aided by his father and many others in the paddock. He really did try and he ocassionally achieved a decent performance despite a basically poor set up and having to work on a budget of about half of bugger all. I also seem to recall he drove most races covered in grease and crud after working on his car until call up. He also had some damned bad luck. At least he tried.

From what i've heard about the state of the car He deserves a medal for getting it out of the paddock, never mind, never mind around the track for a lap.


Can we get back on track guys ( pun intended). and concentrate on the problem in hand...

G

[Racing Rod]

Agreed, lets not get out of hand here, and since I lost my cool with James earlier, I should be the first to say sorry for lowering the tone and getting away from the subject. James is harmless, I shouldn't have had a go at him, it's just his strange way, he can't help it,and I'm sure he has no idea that he rubs people up the wrong way but sometimes, good god almighty ,he annoys the shit out of me

Anyway, I think most of us agree with the principals, and since TVR or the "net spies" will see this tomorrow , prehaps they will take it to heart and make a formal statement, I've often wondered, do pigs shit when they fly

[griff2be]

I must admit I am rather bemused by all this. I have not made any comment publicly about the proposed arrangements for the 2005 season – despite having invested further money in TVR racing during the winter by buying a new car.

I had a meeting with John Reid at the Autosport show, together with two other current drivers. I also had telephone conversations with a further three current drivers prior to the meeting with John. Those discussions were and shall remain private. What I will say is that the meeting was conducted in a constructive and positive manner, where genuine concerns were aired and considered.

James – if you have a problem with me then I suggest you speak to me or e mail me about it privately. Posting personal insults about me or one of my sponsors on a public website presents a very poor image of the TVR racing community. It is not reflective of the otherwise extremely friendly and supportive atmosphere that typifies the Tuscan paddock. Or indeed the normal discussions on this forum.

Regards

Andy

[Rod Barrett]

griff2be said:

I must admit I am rather bemused by all this. I have not made any comment publicly about the proposed arrangements for the 2005 season – despite having invested further money in TVR racing during the winter by buying a new car. I had a meeting with John Reid at the Autosport show, together with two other current drivers. I also had telephone conversations with a further three current drivers prior to the meeting with John. Those discussions were and shall remain private. What I will say is that the meeting was conducted in a constructive and positive manner, where genuine concerns were aired and considered. James – if you have a problem with me then I suggest you speak to me or e mail me about it privately. Posting personal insults about me or one of my sponsors on a public website presents a very poor image of the TVR racing community. It is not reflective of the otherwise extremely friendly and supportive atmosphere that typifies the Tuscan paddock. Or indeed the normal discussions on this forum. Regards Andy

Here here, well said that man , he's good isn't he

[yellow peril]

griff2be said:

Posting personal insults ................................. is not reflective of the otherwise extremely friendly and supportive atmosphere that typifies the Tuscan paddock. Or indeed the normal discussions on this forum. Regards Andy

Well said

...//P//

[ratpit]

Am I being cynical here??? Is the proposed predominantly single round series due to the fact that there isn't a hope in hell of mending a Saggyarse between rounds.

You know where you are with a Tuscan, 19mm ring spanner, 10mm Allen key and a roll of tank tape.

Oh yeah, and Swifty's magic bus

[griff2be]

ratpit said:

Am I being cynical here??? Is the proposed predominantly single round series due to the fact that there isn't a hope in hell of mending a Saggyarse between rounds. You know where you are with a Tuscan, 19mm ring spanner, 10mm Allen key and a roll of tank tape. Oh yeah, and Swifty's magic bus

Swifty's magic bus has also been withdrawn by TVR. No spares support at circuits in future.

[Rod Barrett]

griff2be said:

ratpit said: Am I being cynical here??? Is the proposed predominantly single round series due to the fact that there isn't a hope in hell of mending a Saggyarse between rounds. You know where you are with a Tuscan, 19mm ring spanner, 10mm Allen key and a roll of tank tape. Oh yeah, and Swifty's magic bus Swifty's magic bus has also been withdrawn by TVR. No spares support at circuits in future.

Funny how you only miss things when they are gone, prehaps old PW wasn't that bad after all

It wouldn't suprise me if PW was waiting on the side lines watching this boy picking over the company PW sold him for,what was it?, £15m

Prehaps the fresh faced 24 year old new owner has slowly got bored, or maybe he hasn't got a clue how to run his new company/play thing, and PW, being a canny and wise old bird,is waiting to swoop back in for a mere £1m price tag. Good deal, sell for £15m, wait 6 months,maybe a year, buy back at £1m, profit £14m, PW must be delighted at all the mistakes that are being made

Mind you, I suppose it's a bit unfair to judge the new lads management style and thought processes based on his decisions for The Tuscan Challenge, but in the absence of any real news or publicity whatsoever,(maybe he was trianed by the KGB, " Say nothing commrade") from TVR about anything they are doing or planning,is it unreasonable to make these assumptions,so......., get ready for a great PW comeback, you heard it here first.

[ratpit]

I wouldn't hold yer breath.