Paul Stoddart, genius or deluded fool?

Paul Stoddart, genius or deluded fool?

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davidd

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6,452 posts

284 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Considering they have a tiny budget, they seem to get at least as much coverage as every one else, with PS being very, very outspoken on most subjects.

Whilst I applaude his efforts I do wonder if he has an agenda beyond minardi. Do we think the rumours of max mosleys job going to him might be true?

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munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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I doubt he'd get the job. Surely they want someone "impartial" not a current F1 team boss.

I think he does a good job in the situation. It's a small company on the edge of it's finances and he manages to keep it alive....not sure I could.

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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He gets coverage becaise there are only 10 F1 teams now. In the days when there were up to 17 teams trying to qualify, Minardi were just another "small" team.

phatgixer

4,988 posts

249 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Never liked him since he put polical slogans on his cars in Malaysia about peace, just as our troops were going to war. Insensitive in the extreme.

...and he has filthy fingernails.

steviebee

12,912 posts

255 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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I don't think you could ever call him "deluded" or "fool".

He's surving where others aren't in an environment that doesn't favour the little guys.

More power to him!

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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i like him, he is taking the fight to people like ferrari albeit with little success.

the sport is lacking characters so i am grateful for them whoever or wherever they may be.


Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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He is the last of a breed in F1. Once Stoddart is gone, the "business" of F1 will be just that, a "business" with all the emphasis on how F1 fits into a corporation's "maerketing strategy" and being run my corporate "clones".

It's largely become like that anyway. Witness Midland F1's recent comment on why they bought Jordan - "It fits into our business profile".

What the hell does that mean. Wouldn't it have been nicer if they said "We love motor racing and it's always been our ambition to race in F1".

frik

13,542 posts

243 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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Eric Mc said:
He is the last of a breed in F1. Once Stoddart is gone, the "business" of F1 will be just that, a "business" with all the emphasis on how F1 fits into a corporation's "maerketing strategy" and being run my corporate "clones".

It's largely become like that anyway. Witness Midland F1's recent comment on why they bought Jordan - "It fits into our business profile".

What the hell does that mean. Wouldn't it have been nicer if they said "We love motor racing and it's always been our ambition to race in F1".
He's knows everyone's first name and uses it. He also has a habit of driving his own cars. Over in Woking big Ron commands about as much respect as the Queen and is similarly elusive.

FourWheelDrift

88,542 posts

284 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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Midland's Business profile might be a little cash starved soon of this turns ugly for them.

Grand Prix.com said:

Students of the real world in Formula 1 will have noticed that last week the new Ukrainian government headed by Yulia Timoshenko announced that it is to reverse the controversial sale of the state-owned Kryvorizhstal steel works so that the firm can go back on the market at a higher price. One of the world's largest steel plants was sold last year to a group of investors that included the son-in-law of former President Leonid Kuchma. The winning bid was $800m and higher bids from foreign companies were rejected. Timoshenko said her government was cancelling "illegal" decisions by the former administration. It remains to be seen how the government will decide which deals were correct and which were not.

One would assume that all is well with the sale of the sale of the Zaporozhstal steel works in 1997. This was acquired from the government by Midland, which recently became the owner of the Jordan Formula 1 team. The Midland empire, which is now largely outside the Ukraine, was founded on the success of Zaporozhstal.

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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According to Ceefax last night, Minardi might be barred from participating in this year's World Championship as the haven't built a car to the new 2005 specs.

d-man

1,019 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I expect Minardi will be allowed to run their 2004 cars for the first 3 races of the year while they get the new car ready. That way the FIA avoid a legal challenge to the 2005 rules, www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14254.html has more info.

As an aside, the off season in Formula 1 this year has been far more interesting than any of the racing was. The t on the end of FIA is getting clearer every day.

LancsDriver

242 posts

240 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I believe the rumours are that Jean Todt will replace him after his impeccable record with Peugeot WRC and dakar teams and thier highly succesful stint in world sports cars with thier lemans project, and given the fact hes been with ferrari for some 10years plus he has already been pre-approved to become the sports next top-dog.
If correct I fear the future of F1.

Surely they should enlist the services of someone whom his highly regard in business and by all means very unbiased.

williamp

19,262 posts

273 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Eric Mc said:

It's largely become like that anyway. Witness Midland F1's recent comment on why they bought Jordan - "It fits into our business profile".



Not heard that, and its really quite worrying- we all know that a new chairman, or new business plan will find that F1 doies not fit with its business profile, and they simply stop. Nine teams, anyone?

FesterNath

652 posts

236 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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I think Stoddart is a pain in the ass. I like his team, but why does he moan constantly? His latest beef, with regards to starting with a 2004 spec car, why should Minardi be rewarded because - for whatever reason - their car is rubbish? No wonder Ferrari don't like the idea since they've just made their 2004 comply. Everyone bemoans Ferrari's spending, but they want them to spend more to make their car 2005 compatible but say Minardi shouldn't have to.

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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The stucture of F1 rewards success. Therefore, Minardi are usually bottom of the pecking order when it comes to the share outs. However, the absolute logic of this system is that the successful teams get bigger anddbigger slices of cash - thereby outspending the poorer teams - thereby becoming more and more successful. The ultimate outcome of this progression is that, one by one, teams will drop out until there is only one ultimate victor left - and F1 will be finished.

As I said earlier, there used to be 17 teams turning up for each GP. Now there are 10. Something is going wrong somewhere.

FourWheelDrift

88,542 posts

284 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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It was only back in 1991 (which is actually a long time ago now I think of it ) that we used to have regular pre-qualifying seesion on Fridays, when 4 cars would be sent home early and not even have a chance to qualify or race. The last pre-qualifers were in 1992, the Andrea Moda team with Roberto Moreno and Perry "Lord Stig the 1st" McCarthy.

Remembering the 107% rule in force today you have to remember back then those who didn't pre-qualify would have been a lot slower than even that. So Minardi as a team and on pace (as long as the driver is a good one) is doing very well.

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 17th February 14:46

Frik

13,542 posts

243 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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FesterNath said:
I think Stoddart is a pain in the ass. I like his team, but why does he moan constantly? His latest beef, with regards to starting with a 2004 spec car, why should Minardi be rewarded because - for whatever reason - their car is rubbish? No wonder Ferrari don't like the idea since they've just made their 2004 comply. Everyone bemoans Ferrari's spending, but they want them to spend more to make their car 2005 compatible but say Minardi shouldn't have to.
Unlike Ferrari though, Minardi have been in the unenviable position of trying to design their car around an engine-shaped hole due to the long period when the fate of Cosworth (and therefore their engine supply) hung in the balance.

It may be fair to say that it's not Paul Stoddart's fault but it's still his problem. OTOH isn't it in the governing bodies' interest to have Minardi racing rather than not?

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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Quite right.

In many ways, the teams are much closer in performance than they used to be. However, other factors such as multiple pit stops and inability to overtake on track have diminished the "racing" spectacle making the races more processional.

kevinday

11,640 posts

280 months

Friday 18th February 2005
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I think Minardi do a pretty good job, considering their budget is around 5% of what Ferrari and Toyota spend (IIRC). I believe the 'handouts' given to each team should be equal, each team getting 10% of the total (when there are ten teams). Much fairer!

john75

5,303 posts

247 months

Friday 18th February 2005
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Anybody who manages to keep a team like Minardi going must have some nous.

If you were a fool or deluded you would not last five minutes in F1