New F1 Qualifying
Discussion
..... is a farce!!!!
Why cant we just go back to the old system of 12 laps in an hour. This having grids decided by who gets lucky with the weather is a joke!! Why not just pull the grid out of a hat?
All I want from qualifying is a fair and even playing field that results in the fastest car being in front, STOP FIDDLING!!!!
Schumacher is 18th and 5 seconds off Ralf in 17th so he is not going to make up any places in tomorrows qualy assumming it reamains dry. If this is the case why should they even go out and risk their engine and tyres? Im sure there are other positions further up grid where htis is also the case.
This entire argument of it making the racing better is ridiculous
Cheers
Stuart
Why cant we just go back to the old system of 12 laps in an hour. This having grids decided by who gets lucky with the weather is a joke!! Why not just pull the grid out of a hat?
All I want from qualifying is a fair and even playing field that results in the fastest car being in front, STOP FIDDLING!!!!
Schumacher is 18th and 5 seconds off Ralf in 17th so he is not going to make up any places in tomorrows qualy assumming it reamains dry. If this is the case why should they even go out and risk their engine and tyres? Im sure there are other positions further up grid where htis is also the case.
This entire argument of it making the racing better is ridiculous
Cheers
Stuart
I agree, If you look at the spread of the grid, even Button is a couple of seconds of the pace of the red bull cars. I think there will be few changes. I suppose will make for a good race, but probably offer a false hope for the season, as we won't have seen a true reflection of the various cars performance.
sstein said:
Why cant we just go back to the old system of 12 laps in an hour.
THey don't even need to do that since that never gave action at the begining of a session because they didn't want to lose valuable laps. They can easily say unlimited qualifying laps for loads of action, they have a very limited number of tyres now so could easily run this format.
kevinday said:
Would it not be simple to amend the rule so that all drivers had to run in similar weather conditions. Therefore the qualifying could be split if it starts to rain, when the rain starts stop the session and wait for the track to dry.
Naff orf. It's dull enough as it is!! Let's spice it up all we can. I'd introduce random snow drifts & bunkers.
kevinday said:
Would it not be simple to amend the rule so that all drivers had to run in similar weather conditions. Therefore the qualifying could be split if it starts to rain, when the rain starts stop the session and wait for the track to dry.
But how do you run a race meeting like that? What happens to the support races - there are few enough of them as it is! At Silverstone if we waited for the rain to stop they'd never be a race!!!
It's all cr*p, let's just race cars, stuff the regulations, big engines, whatever areo packs a team fancies, lots of tyres let's just RACE!
I would go back to the old system - a one hour free-for-all. No restriction on the number of laps, but an absolutely hard and fast rule that every car should complete three laps in the first 15 minutes.
Just think of the fisticuffs in the pit-lane!
While we're at it we could have slicks again, with a 'control' wing (minimum downforce).
Back to a bit of exuberant sideways stuff.
Just think of the fisticuffs in the pit-lane!
While we're at it we could have slicks again, with a 'control' wing (minimum downforce).
Back to a bit of exuberant sideways stuff.
D_Mike said:
Of all the suggestions I've heard, the 12 laps in 1 hour system is best. Make each car do one timed lap in each 15 minutes. All problems sorted.
Nah, it'd never work. Way too simple. No chance for Stoddy to take anyone to arbitration or for Max to tie it up in lawyer speak.
Anyone up for answering the following:
Q: How many F1 team owners does it take to change a light bulb?
A: ?
D_Mike said:
Of all the suggestions I've heard, the 12 laps in 1 hour system is best. Make each car do one timed lap in each 15 minutes. All problems sorted.
Why?
One of the great dilemmas (and therefore skill) in the old qualifying was knowing when to go out on track - the weather could change, the track conditions could change, traffic is different etc etc.
If they have an hour and have to do three laps minimum to qualify, surely its up to the teams to get it right? Why introduce a one lap every 15 mins rule - it overcomplicates it. What would you do to the guy who does 3 laps, puts it mid grid, but then suffers a breakdown for the rest of the session?
griff2be said:
Why introduce a one lap every 15 mins rule - it overcomplicates it.
The whole point of the change originally was to liven up the show for spectators and the TV audience. Not much to look at on track or on the TV if everyone sits and waits for the last 15 minutes to go out is there?
But then again, I forgot; who in F1 cares about the spectators?
I think last years system worked well, the second session was televised.
In theory the advantage of single lap qualifying is that occasionally you'll have someone out of position who has to come through the field. This should lead to overtaking etc.
If you have the fastest person at the front then you'll get a procession in the race, virtually guaranteed.
In theory the advantage of single lap qualifying is that occasionally you'll have someone out of position who has to come through the field. This should lead to overtaking etc.
If you have the fastest person at the front then you'll get a procession in the race, virtually guaranteed.
mutt k said:
Why introduce a one lap every 15 mins rule - it overcomplicates it.
The whole point of the change originally was to liven up the show for spectators and the TV audience. Not much to look at on track or on the TV if everyone sits and waits for the last 15 minutes to go out is there?
But then again, I forgot; who in F1 cares about the spectators?
I thought the issue was that in the old session often only Minardi would be out 1st thing. I agree with whoever said 1st run has to be within the 1st 15 mins. Otherwise lets have the 1 hour free forall.
Pre-Schumacher, watching Piquet, Mansell, Senna, Prost all heading out the pits with 2 or 3 minutes to go was awesome. Allow the teams 2 sets of tyres for qualifying, 3 for race, 2 engines over a weekend, and let them race. Fastest person over an hour of qualifying gets pole, fastest driver/car over the 2 hours wins the race.
I can't believe that people are advocating going back to what invariable proved a really dull format which usually resulted in ordered grids and processional races... dull, dull, dull.
At least now we do have an element of chance that can sometimes turn everything on its head and give us an entertaining race... about bleedin time!!!!
Oh, and another thing, this format gives all drivers and teams equal coverage during qualifying, which can only be good for the smaller teams trying to raise a budget... especially when chance does intervene and put them up the grid for the race.
Personally I've had enough of watching Ferrari v McLaren v Williams... how refreshing to see Renault and Red Bull dominating proceedings.
I'd be more concerned about BAR pulling both cars to do an engine change between races... I wasn't at all impressed with that and I'm sure the Australian paying public felt somewhat cheated by it.
At least now we do have an element of chance that can sometimes turn everything on its head and give us an entertaining race... about bleedin time!!!!
Oh, and another thing, this format gives all drivers and teams equal coverage during qualifying, which can only be good for the smaller teams trying to raise a budget... especially when chance does intervene and put them up the grid for the race.
Personally I've had enough of watching Ferrari v McLaren v Williams... how refreshing to see Renault and Red Bull dominating proceedings.
I'd be more concerned about BAR pulling both cars to do an engine change between races... I wasn't at all impressed with that and I'm sure the Australian paying public felt somewhat cheated by it.
foster3jd said:
Personally I've had enough of watching Ferrari v McLaren v Williams... how refreshing to see Renault and Red Bull dominating proceedings.
I agree, it was good to see some different teams up front. However, leader led from start to finish, a Ferrari still finished 2nd, there was 2 overtaking moves both by Alonso. Doesn't it just seem odd that even with an upside down qualifying there really wasn't much change in the racing.
foster3jd said:
I'd be more concerned about BAR pulling both cars to do an engine change between races... I wasn't at all impressed with that and I'm sure the Australian paying public felt somewhat cheated by it.
Do you think they noticed the cars running 11th & 12th? The TV didn't it took Brundle to tell us. Clever move and one designed to show the FIA that if your outside the points, then might as well change an engine, how many races this year will have only 8 finishers? Or is that a bit synical?
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