F1 ... About Time!!! (SPOILER)
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Wow
thats first f1 race ive stayed awake for for quite some time!
Excelent to see Fisi get a debut win for Renault, with Alonso 3rd
Best part of the race was seeing Schumacher going out after contact with Heidfeld!
Red Bull certainly gives u wings with DC getting a 4th after spending much of the race in the top 3!
thats first f1 race ive stayed awake for for quite some time!
Excelent to see Fisi get a debut win for Renault, with Alonso 3rd
Best part of the race was seeing Schumacher going out after contact with Heidfeld!
Red Bull certainly gives u wings with DC getting a 4th after spending much of the race in the top 3!
I thought it was average at best.
I can hear it playing in the front room now but not bothering to finish watching it (taped live cov).
I think its because the last few years in F1 have been so pathetic that I have lost interest in it now, and something pretty special is going to have to happen to it for me to take interest again.
I can hear it playing in the front room now but not bothering to finish watching it (taped live cov).
I think its because the last few years in F1 have been so pathetic that I have lost interest in it now, and something pretty special is going to have to happen to it for me to take interest again.
It was more interesting although part of that was because of the topsy turvy grid.
I watched it live, and spent the time catching up on emails etc, so its a bit difficult to say what happened although was amusing that Heidfield punted Schumacher off, after Schumacher put him on the grass.
Not convinced that there was any real overtaking, and Barricelos (spelling) position shows what is likely to have happened at the first qualifying not been washed out
I watched it live, and spent the time catching up on emails etc, so its a bit difficult to say what happened although was amusing that Heidfield punted Schumacher off, after Schumacher put him on the grass.
Not convinced that there was any real overtaking, and Barricelos (spelling) position shows what is likely to have happened at the first qualifying not been washed out
pleace can i refer you to this thread...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0
DONT POST RESULTS ON THIS FORUM
i sugest you edit out the results before you spoil it for other people
>> Edited by white_van_man on Sunday 6th March 09:55
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DONT POST RESULTS ON THIS FORUM i sugest you edit out the results before you spoil it for other people
>> Edited by white_van_man on Sunday 6th March 09:55
caduceus said:
I thought it was average at best.
I can hear it playing in the front room now but not bothering to finish watching it (taped live cov).
I think its because the last few years in F1 have been so pathetic that I have lost interest in it now, and something pretty special is going to have to happen to it for me to take interest again.
Could not have put it better. Despite untold talk of all the changes I can only see any evidence of one. Last year there were two variables in the pitstops, the fuel filler got jammed, someone cross threaded a nut. Now it is down to the fuel filling only going wrong. Not too sure what all those mechanics are doing out there to watch someone fill it up.
Total waste of time, thanks heavens for the fast forward button, must get some spare batteries for my remote
white_van_man said:
pleace can i refer you to this thread...
<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0</a>
i sugest you edit out the results before you spoil it for other people
Nobody has.... there's (spoiler) in the thread title.
agent006 said:
pleace can i refer you to this thread...
<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0"><a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0</a></a>
i sugest you edit out the results before you spoil it for other people
Nobody has.... there's (spoiler) in the thread title.
there wasnt when i looked at it first thing thismorning
I was surprised at the lack of action. I wondered if MS was going to some how turn it up in the last 13 laps or so but then he got himself into a shumuzle.
Although it was about like any other F1 race, perhaps more boring without pitstops, the results were interesting. Renault look very good and Fisi seems very mature.
I particularly get a kick out of Ron Dennis criticizing JPM since JPM is soo happy at his new team over his old. Ron Dennis really ought to provide cars with mirrors that don't move around at speed!
Although it was about like any other F1 race, perhaps more boring without pitstops, the results were interesting. Renault look very good and Fisi seems very mature.
I particularly get a kick out of Ron Dennis criticizing JPM since JPM is soo happy at his new team over his old. Ron Dennis really ought to provide cars with mirrors that don't move around at speed!
It's not the cars or the drivers to blame for low excitment and little overtaking. It's the poor track designs that give far to little room for manouvre, they are 2nd rate compared to some of the US Indy circuits. Until the F1 ringmasters resolve this problem, the circus will always look better from the inside.
agent006 said:
pleace can i refer you to this thread...
<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0"><a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=85843&f=42&h=0</a></a>
i sugest you edit out the results before you spoil it for other people
Nobody has.... there's (spoiler) in the thread title.
That's because it has since been edited.
pib said:
I was surprised at the lack of action.
As the first of 19 races, I suspect there was a lot of "suck it and see" going on, with nobody realy sure how the tyres would stand up over a race.
I think once Malaysia is done with, the teams will then see how the engines hold up and from then on, better racing.
kevinday said:
The engine rules are a farce if teams are allowed to change it with no penalty as BAR! Any engine fitment should be required to last two races, therefore the BAR cars should have no new engine until after race 3.
Agree.
As I understand, the FIA are going to "keep an eye on this".
Nothing like a hard and fast rule is there??!!
kevinday said:
The engine rules are a farce if teams are allowed to change it with no penalty as BAR! Any engine fitment should be required to last two races, therefore the BAR cars should have no new engine until after race 3.
Agree.
As I understand, the FIA are going to "keep an eye on this".
Nothing like a hard and fast rule is there??!!
I wonder just how much extra time a car could make up by making a tyre change stop (without fuel of course) fresh rubber could knock seconds of laptimes with only 30s spent in the pits.
Ah, but you say they can't change tyres now. Well that is except if they have a badly flat spotted tyre. So what's to stop a car that is suffering on worn tyres to start an in-lap and stamp on the brakes at some point to flat spot all four and get some fresh rubber?
The rules are still and always will be farcical. They need fewer rules, less stringent regulations and a freer scope for engineering design to progress automotive technology not bypassing moronic rules made up by moronic rule makers.
Ah, but you say they can't change tyres now. Well that is except if they have a badly flat spotted tyre. So what's to stop a car that is suffering on worn tyres to start an in-lap and stamp on the brakes at some point to flat spot all four and get some fresh rubber?
The rules are still and always will be farcical. They need fewer rules, less stringent regulations and a freer scope for engineering design to progress automotive technology not bypassing moronic rules made up by moronic rule makers.
The FIA could sort out the tyre replacement problem by only allowing one person to work on the car if it is having tyre changes. The time this would take would mean that no advantage would be gained, and the FIA would not have to police the issue of whether the tyres were dangerous or not and then impose a stop go penalty.
Please lets ban fuel stops soon too, then we will have a start to finish race and not a series of sprints which was still the case yesterday.
Please lets ban fuel stops soon too, then we will have a start to finish race and not a series of sprints which was still the case yesterday.
FourWheelDrift said:
I wonder just how much extra time a car could make up by making a tyre change stop (without fuel of course) fresh rubber could knock seconds of laptimes with only 30s spent in the pits.
Ah, but you say they can't change tyres now. Well that is except if they have a badly flat spotted tyre. So what's to stop a car that is suffering on worn tyres to start an in-lap and stamp on the brakes at some point to flat spot all four and get some fresh rubber?
The rules are still and always will be farcical. They need fewer rules, less stringent regulations and a freer scope for engineering design to progress automotive technology not bypassing moronic rules made up by moronic rule makers.
I agree that fewer rules may assist - though perhaps the more global ones could come into play - engine size, min weight, dimensions, that sort of stuff.
From what the drivers seemed to be saying there was little or no tyre degredation to worry about - a lot of fast laps at the end. May not be so true on all surfaces at all temperature of course.
In respect of engines - may be one of the more exciting things about the season.
MS had an engine change. Did not finish so can have a fresh engine for the next race along with the BARs. So we will have teams/drivers out of sync with how old their engines are.
Could there be a marginal gamble by expecting engines not to be up to 2 weekends so going for results at every other race?
Grid position seemed less important on Sunday - witness Alonso and Barichello. So if a number of teams start to opt for engine changes if they are not on the first 3 rows of the grid (for example) grid positions even with penalty could still be row 6 ish if you timed the decision well.
I suspect the racing will be dull but the strategy might be enlightening.
Now if they forced them to run without fuels stops we might see the return of real overtaking attempts.
That could be a bit revolutionary. Bet that's never been done before ... oh, well, yes, I suppose it has really.
Would reduce costs surely - no need for 50 people standing in the pits all the time.
edit to say the above was written and posted before I saw andyps's post above. Great minds think alike I suppose ...
>> Edited by longq on Monday 7th March 17:11
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